Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nam Song-chol

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to North Korea national football team. Editors advocating Keep provide no sources helping to establish notabiity. Selecting a Redirect as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nam Song-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Korea-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "남성철 국제 축구 site:.kp" turns up this [1], but I have no idea, short of translating the entire pdf to see if it talks about the person. I'm not fluent in Korean, I copied his name and used google translate for "international football", it gave me the Korean script that I plugged into Google, limiting it to North Korea websites... Weak keep? Oaktree b (talk) 01:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  North Korean literature is always flowery and uses a very positive tone, but it's all published by the government, so use with caution I suppose... Oaktree b (talk) 01:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  [2] 42 caps with the squad, I'd assume notable... Oaktree b (talk) 01:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - So notable that the article has been hardly updated in over 10 years. Simione001 (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to North Korea national football team, he is listed joint 9th all time appearances in the records section. Govvy (talk) 15:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. Sources are a database and a article about the team. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - 43 international matches. Has articles in 18 other Wikis. Can you say WP:BIAS? Nfitz (talk) 23:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per Nfitz. Definetly has offline sourrces. Clearly significant figure in North Korean football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Is he? How do you know that? Nothing but pure speculation that there are offline sources. No one has provided any evidence that the article satisfies WP:GNG other than to say he has 43 appearances for the national team which alone doesn't meet the criteria for WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I don't know if there is "bias", I just know that we can't rely on WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES especially for BLPs.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - One of the main athletes in the history of football in North Korea, a very different case from other athletes nominated for elimination with few appearances/lack of information. Svartner (talk) 16:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Seems like a case of WP:ILIKEIT.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Actually no, it's not a matter of personal preference by my part. Just a comparison with other articles about North Korean footballers who were nominated for elimination, which in the majority have little information and almost none made by clubs. This case has some achievements that are above: participation in the 2010 FIFA World Cup, +40 international appearances. At the level of North Korean football, he is undeniably an athlete with much more relevance than the others. So in this case, I think deleting the article without other alternatives beforehand in terms of improvements sounds a forceful. Svartner (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment - What information? The article is totally devoid of any details or sources relating to the subject. Nor has anybody in this discussion provided any. Simione001 (talk) 22:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. BEFORE showed nothing meeting WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. Keep votes provide no sources, just ILIKEIT personal opinons. // Timothy :: talk 03:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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