User talk:Simione001

Hello, Simione001, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Travelbird (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

		The Football Barnstar
		For your continued hard work and dedication on Australian football articles. Thanks. 2nyte (talk) 07:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For quickly dealing with a BLP tag on the Hamish Watson article. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 12:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For all your work :D

SuperJew (talk) 06:39, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	For creating an article on Luis Pedro (footballer, born 1992) and many other footballers, down under and not! Thank you for being an awesome Wikipedian!!!! gidonb (talk) 13:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just letting you know that it is required that you leave a notice on the talk page of the creating user when you nominate one of their articles for deletion under prod or afd (like the post one above this). It doesn't seem that you are doing this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Also, I wouldn't recommend nominating so many articles at such as speed, especially considering many are creations of the same user. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:32, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also to note, you have posted more than 10 football related AfDs in a day, other people in the past have been blocked for a period of time for over doing it. And are you really doing a proper WP:BEFORE? Govvy (talk) 08:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there is no "requirement" to notify the article's creator when you nominate the article for deletion - it is just a recommendation (and I understand fairly standard practice). As far as the pace of nominations, sadly we have so many footballer biographies that don't satisfy WP:SPORTCRIT in their current state, it's kind of inevitable. Hopefully, Simione001 will spread out their nominations a bit, but several Football Project editors like myself are going through that backlog as well - it's little surprise that we have a lot of AfDs in process. Jogurney (talk) 21:01, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with User:Jogurney. There are easily over 1000 football biographies that need to be given a PROD/AfD currently in circulation, especially following WP:NSPORTS2022, which means that a player with a few minutes in the Myanmar top tier back in 2012, say, who subsequently disappeared is no longer considered to be immune from deletion if they comprehensively fail GNG. It's inevitable that we will have days when multiple ones get sent to AfD. Spreading them out, where possible, is ideal, though. I try not to nominate more than 2 by any one article creator in any one day so that I'm not overwhelming them or coming across as targeting them specifically. For banned/blocked editors, this perhaps isn't so important. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:51, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your AFDs of Simon Amin and Gaby Jallo are both seriously ill thought out. I suggest you withdraw. GiantSnowman 21:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I thought I had notified you - see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 December 23#Gaby Jallo. GiantSnowman 20:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have repeatedly gone against both WP:FOOTY and WP:MOSETHNICITY standards in listing players as "Australian" who were not born in Australia, have not declared for Australia, and have never represented Australia—e.g. Jordon Hall, Ayom Majok, and a number of others. A player does not need to play in a country to have that country's nationality. Likewise, a player playing the majority of their career in a country does not make them from that country. If a player was born in, say, South Sudan, they are "South Sudanese" by default until they represent another nation internationally. Simply playing in a foreign league does not change a player's born nationality. This is made very clear at WP:MOSETHNICITY. I am pinging @GiantSnowman:, who is an admin who has recently had a great deal of experience with this exact problem, who I think can shed light on the consensus here and how we can move forward before it becomes an issue. Anwegmann (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not my interpretation. As they live in Australia and have played there entire semi-pro / professional careers in Australia then from a footballing point of view they would be considered Australian footballers. There countries of birth are not responsible for developing them as footballers. Simione001 (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how nationalities work, though. Plenty of players across the globe have developed in countries outside those of their births, but that doesn't change their nationalities. It's not a matter of your or my interpretation. WP:MOSETHNICITY makes this all very clear. If a player has represented Australia at any level, fine, he's Australian. But if they were born in one country and have never represented another, any additional citizenships beyond that of their birth are not primary and thus don't belong in the lead. This isn't my opinion. This is standard consensus across WP:FOOTY and WP:MOSETHNICITY. Australia should not be different. Anwegmann (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think your missing my point. It is how nationalities work from a footballing point of view. You seem to be hung up on there citizenship status or country of birth which is an entirely a different issue. I'm looking at it from a footballing point of view and the country they are eligible to represent first and foremost. The flagicon in question is displayed in the football squad template. Simione001 (talk) 01:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But you're making a judgment about these players' nationalities, which is both incorrect and subjective. Again, as WP:MOSETHNICITY and WP:FOOTY make clear, unless a player has actually represented a country outside that of their birth, their nationality (or we can call it "footballing nationality") is the same as the one they had at birth. Development in a country has nothing to do with a player's nationality by any measure. Eligibility also doesn't matter. "Nationalities" as you are defining them belong either in an "International career" section or a "Personal life" section.

Also, the country a player like Ayom Majok is "eligible to represent first and foremost" is that of his birth—namely, the national eligibility he has had for the longest. His Australian eligibility, which would require a source to claim, even in passing, is secondary. You establishing it as "first and foremost" is entirely subjective and arbitrary. That's the fundamental issue here. Anwegmann (talk) 02:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If your interpretation is correct then there are a lot of edits that need to be made, Rémy Vita or Sadik Fofana for example. Simione001 (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both of those examples are entirely correct as they exist right now. They were born in Germany and France respectively and are referred to as German and French. I have no idea what you're talking about. Anwegmann (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We are talking about the flagicons in the football squad template of the club side they play for. Simione001 (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do reliable sources say about these players? GiantSnowman 17:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I cant really find anything that pertains to there international allegiances however there footballing history is clear, both having played there entire career solely within Australia. Frankly, both article could probably be candidates for deletion as I'm not entirely convinced they pass GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Professional activity doesn't determine nationality, you guys are all wrong. Frenchl (talk) 00:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should take as an example the German Wikipedia, which lists all the nationalities of a player in the introductory section. Deutsche Qualität. Frenchl (talk) 00:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I am arguing exactly what you just said: professional activity doesn't determine nationality. Anwegmann (talk) 01:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]