Talk:Taira no Kiyomori

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There's a band in the UK named after Kiyomori. I found them. They live at http://kiyomori.co.uk.

They also have a myspace page, www.myspace.com/kiyomori . very nice boys.

I'm pretty certain that the Kiyomori character in this film is very loosely based on the historical figure. 69.204.205.190 (talk) 06:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the paragraph beginning, "In 1171..." the above two similar names are used. Are they different people or are they the same person? If so, which is the correct spelling?

Also, I could not maintain a coherent succession of Emperors in my head while reading this article. The names change a lot, but seem to do so randomly and not according to a chain of events in time. Sorry I can't work on this myself. Thanks for your hard work! Geekdiva (talk) 09:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of his major involvement in the first Genji game, Dawn of the Samurai. Why? 69.38.205.7 (talk) 22:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article starts with following text, "Taira no Kiyomori (平 清盛?, 1118 – March 20, 1181) was a general of the late Heian period of Japan." I think that "general" is translated as "shogun 将軍" in Japan, or anyway it means the grade for a person who is the top of forces. But Kiyomori was not a shogun, his highest grade was "太政大臣" meaning like prime minister. That is, he had a grade as a statesman, not as a top of military system. One grade of him which is close to shogun would be 兵部卿, like a secretary of defence, and it is for the statesman as well. Therefore I think it is wrong to refer him as a general. Japanese Wikipedia starts with following words. 「平 清盛（たいら の きよもり）は、平安時代末期の武将・公卿・政治家である。」 in English, "Taira no Kiyomori was an officer, a lord, and a statesman of the late Heian period." There are no words meaning a general.

This difference is significant. The next leader of Samurai, Minamoto no Yoritomo was the first person who was bestowed the grade of Shogun. He rejected to get the grades for statesman because he thought that it meant he was included in the imperial ruling system, and he thought that Kiyomori finally failed to govern Japan because of it. Yoritomo started Samurais' independent governing system. Thus Kiyomori must not be referred as a general and it's essential to understand Japanese history.--82.226.178.134 (talk) 00:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]