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Technical terminology regarding Korea under Japanese rule

Hello all! Here I have a bit of a semantic discussion, feel free to read on if this interests you. On the request of CurryTime7-24 I am opening a discussion on this topic here. A previous consensus on this topic was reached here in a long discussion, which was had again here. While this issue seems resolved in WikiProject Korea, it was recommended to bring this to WikiProject Japan as well.

The basic gist of the discussion is concerning the usage of technical terminology on the English name of Korea under Japanese rule. For a long time, the country in the period 1910-1945 was referred to as "Japanese Korea", "Korea", or "Korea under Japanese rule" on Wikipedia. This user, CurryTime7-24, single-handedly promulgated a total sweeping change to change all of these references to "Chōsen", the Hepburn romanization of the Japanese name 朝鮮, without consensus beforehand (for context, the preceding 12th to 19th century empire in Korea is referred to as Joseon in English). I opposed this change. Research appeared to show that the nation was alternatively referred to as "Korea", "Corea", and "Chōsen" in English-language sources contemporary to the time. The sources used justifying the usage of the name "Chōsen" as the primary term were a couple of news reports all from the year 1910 and a terminology book from 1911; pretty much all other contemporary sources during 1910-1945 stated that either "Korea" or "Corea" or "Chosen" were fine. Concerning modern usage, pretty much all sources after 1945 appear to use the name "Korea"; for instance, all pages returned from a Google search using the keywords "Japanese annexation 1910" or "Japanese occupation 1910" state that the territory was "Korea". Importantly, due to the continued deeply sensitive nature between the two nations regarding the usage of the Japanese name during occupation (Korean sources 123, Japanese sources 45) I found no reason to go through with the change.

I am not by any means opposed to stating that a name used for the territory was "Chōsen", such as in the intro to the page Korea under Japanese rule. But I am opposed to this change that makes it the main name to represent the land, when "Korea under Japanese rule" or "Korea" seemed fine. On pages such as Heian'nan-dō, I think it is a better idea to revert the pages back to the usage of "Korea under Japanese rule" and "Korea" before the changes by CurryTime7-24. Again, the reasons for this is to be in line with modern English-language scholarship and to be sensitive to the issues surrounding certain terminology.

Please, I am eager to hear any discussion regarding this topic! Holidayruin (talk) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whatever term is used should match what is the most consistently used in English-language scholarship (unless there's a good reason not to) - from what I can see, "Korea under Japanese Rule" and "Colonial Korea" are both very common options. I'd not recommend Chōsen for a few reasons (it'll upset a lot of people, also it's very confusing for speakers who might read it as the English word "chosen", and honestly I can't see much of a practice of referring to the peninsula as Chōsen in contemporary English sources from the early 20th C). --Prosperosity (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RfC: Request for more comments from Wikipedians? Holidayruin (talk) 03:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would not use Chōsen in English. Dekimasuよ! 05:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's been roughly 1.5 months, we can probably consider this RfC closed and decided against using "Chōsen". Holidayruin (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I truly don't care one way or another how this RfC ultimately concludes. But whether Chōsen is preferred or not, you can neither assess nor close your own RfC. You can withdraw it by removing the RfC tag, but this leaves the matter undecided with the status quo in place. Another uninvolved editor would have to assess and close it. Anyway, it would be best to restart this RfC as this one is invalid per WP:RFCNEUTRAL. Good luck! — CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The opinions of these editors should not be discounted due to a technical mishap. But let's reopen this for a while and get this closed by a neutral third party then. In the meanwhile, your wholesale removal of the talk section on this appears to be in bad faith. Holidayruin (talk) 05:40, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have officially turned this discussion into a second RfC per your request. This is after an initial RfC had already concluded that "Korea" should be used over "Chōsen". Holidayruin (talk) 05:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm... the template seems to have been deleted by a bot. Oh well. Nothing in Wikipedia:Requests for comment states that another, second RfC is needed in another WikiProject just because the article belongs to two WikiProjects. This issue was already resolved in a completed and mediated RfC. I was entertaining your concerns to be nice, but there is no reason why we needed another one in the first place. And the members of WikiProject Japan that commented here appear to agree with the position of using "Korea" nonetheless. Holidayruin (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Izumo-class multi-purpose destroyer#Requested move 17 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 14:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Gifu has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hyōgo-ku, Kobe has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Wikimedians! You are highly encouraged to apply for travel scholarship for Wikimedia Movement's largest gathering, Wikimania 2023. Wikimania 2023 will happen in Singapore and online from 16-19 August, 2023. There is a pre-conference on the 15th and a post-conference on the 20th. It is back on our region since Hong Kong in 2013. Application deadline is on 5 February 2023 at 23:59 AoE. Regular registration will happen around May 2023. --Exec8 (talk) Exec8 (talk) 07:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Japanese government-issued Philippine peso#Requested move 29 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —hueman1 (talk contributions) 00:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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