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Q: Why is the attack not marked as a "Hamas victory" or "Israeli victory"?
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Reference ideas for 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel
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Rubin, Shira; Dadouch, Sarah; Hendrix, Steve (October 16, 2023). "How Hamas's carefully planned Israel attack devolved into a chaotic rampage". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on October 16, 2023. Retrieved October 17, 2023.
On 7 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Operation Al-Aqsa Flood to October 2023 Gaza-Israel clashes. The result of the discussion was article redirected before RM was completed.
This article was nominated for deletion on 13 October 2023. The result of the discussion was keep.
Yakhini massacre was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 23 November 2023 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
Ein HaShlosha massacre was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 10 December 2023 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
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I believe a more fitting title for this article would be "The October 7th Attack" being that it's much more rememberable and easy to say. JamesCook1728 (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I am able to move the page. I will not until there is consensus. NesserWiki (talk) 03:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should use the name that Hamas gave it since it is the only “operation name”, which is the “operation Al aqsa flood” The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should we add this? (reported on 24 May 2024)
*Hanan Yablonka, Michel Nisenbaum, and Orion Hernandez were killed on Oct. 7 at the Mefalsim Intersection and their bodies were taken into Gaza, the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement Friday morning, citing intelligence." Zenon.Lach (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should we add this? (reported on 24 May 2024)
Hanan Yablonka, Michel Nisenbaum, and Orion Hernandez were killed on Oct. 7 at the Mefalsim Intersection and their bodies were taken into Gaza, the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement Friday morning, citing intelligence." ([1]) Zenon.Lach (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requested move 26 May 2024
2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October attack – The obvious common name here is the 7 October/October 7 attacks. On Google, there are 117,000 results for "Hamas-led attack on Israel" (even less if you include the year), 252,000 for "7 October attacks" and 1,600,000 for "October 7 attack". October 7 and 7 October even are used by themselves as shorthands for the attack. Ex: "What Really Happened on October 7?" (1), "How Changes in the Israeli Military Led to the Failure of October 7" (2), "October 7th: Through Their Eyes" (3).
It is clear that the name involves "October 7" or some variation + "attack". Of course, October 7th has a higher search rate because of the American date format, but in my opinion, we shouldn't name it that.The attack happened in Israel, and in Israel the format is dmy. An example of this is the 7 July 2005 London bombings. In American media, the attack was referred to as the July 7 bombings. Ex: "July 7 2005 London Bombings Fast Facts" (1), "London Marks the 10th Anniversary of the July 7 Terrorist Attacks" (2). But the article name is 7 July, because that's what the format is in the U.K. I think the same principle should be applied here. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already been discussed. Do you have any new arguments? JDiala (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Separating hostages from POW
If the number is known, would it be better to separate them in the casualties infobox? I am suggesting something like