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Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded

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Nominator(s): — Tomíca(T2ME) &  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 15:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We have worked on it very hard to bring Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded to good article status. Now with the help of Dan56 (talk · contribs) who copy-edited it, I think that it is nearly ready to become a FA. We would like all the nominators who oppose, to bring their issues here so we can resolve it. Thank you! — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Tomica, Status. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • In the lead, the first paragraph states Ne-Yo, StarGate, and Tricky Stewart as past collaborators, following on with "as well as". Are the first 3 noted as the past collaborators with the rest as current? If they're all past wouldn't it be better to list them as such? So like "For the new material, she worked with several past collaborators including...".
  • Ne-Yo, StarGate and Tricky are her collaborators from the past, meaning she worked them on her previous albums and also on Good Girl Gone Bad, but teamed with them again for Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded, alongside some new guys with whom she didn't work previously. I think the sentence is clear enough, especially when people look in the track listing ;). — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:47, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The original album shows its genres as Dance-pop, pop and R&B, yet this one only states pop. Is this just referring to the new material or the album in its entirety?
  • Added the other genres too. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:47, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He felt that "Disturbia" would be better suited for a female singer and gave the it to Rihanna" - typo.
  • Copy-edited it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:47, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Speaking to Nick Levine of Digital Spy, she explained: "I went into the studio making music my way. I found myself all at once." This quote doesn't seem to correlate with the previous one stated by Chris Brown, it just seems randomly placed. If Rihanna's talking about the whole album, I think it would be better to re-locate it to the first paragraph, expanding it slightly.
  • Found it needless and removed it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:47, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He also said that he asked Rihanna to do some "bits and pieces"..." I know it's a quote, but it just seems kind of vague, "bits and pieces" doesn't really say much.
  • I suppose this can be ignored, doesn't deter a substantial amount. Et3rnal 12:22, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In an interview with MTV's Total Request Live, Rihanna said that she is so excited..." - Should be past tense, "so" is a bit colloqiual, what about "very".
  • "It was a commercial success..." - there's nothing supporting this.
  • "Together with the dancer troops..." - should this be "dance"?
  • Yep. I fixed it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 09:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "J. Edward Keyes of eMusic gave the album four out of five starts..." - typo

Support For a re-release, the article's very detailed. Nice work guys. Et3rnal 22:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Et3rnal! — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Cassianto

Seems to be all complete, but needs a bit of fiddling with...

  • "In May 2007, Rihanna released her third studio album Good Girl Gone Bad (2007). She began working on the album in late 2006 and was almost finished with recording it in late February 2007." -- It would be best to stick to chronological order in my opinion. Also, why do you mention when she almost finished it, and not when she finished it?
  • Combined the two sentences together. We don't know the exact time the album was finished; all we got is when it was almost finished, sadly.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album was physically released on June 13..." -- Physically? Is this the correct word? Did someone release it from their hands?
  • "Physically" is a commonly used term to refer to the album being released to retail stores. Whereas "digitally" is to digital stores. If you can think of a better word to use, please, suggest it.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "territories" →"countries"
  • "A special version was also released in the US and..." -- Seeing as America is mentioned latterly, could this not be combined in someway, devoid of the other countries mentioned, so we don't get a repeat of the US/America.
  • "A special version was also released in the US and included a DVD of behind-the-scenes footage of Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007—09)." →A DVD containing behind-the-scenes footage of Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007—09) was included in a special version released
  • I think I got the above two sorted out.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Digital Spy's Nick Levine also gave Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded four out of five stars, but was skeptical whether the album was worthy for re-release with only three new songs stating that the reason for that it's selling more copies." -- If he stated this, I think this should be within quotes.
  • Reworded and directly quoted him from the review.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "When Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded was released, Good Girl Gone Bad received..." -- Repetition of "Good Girl Gone Bad". Suggest saying just "the album".
  • "At the time, it was the second best leap to number one..." -- I would say "highest entry" instead of "best leap".
  • "The song also helped Rihanna to achieve" -- Redundant "to".

Just a quick flick through at this point, I will re-read again over the next few days. -- CassiantoTalk 19:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Second lot from Cassianto

Lead section

  • Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded features three newly-recorded songs and an exclusive behind-the-scenes footage DVD of Rihanna's worldwide tour Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007–09). → Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded features three newly-recorded songs and a DVD showing exclusive behind-the-scenes footageof Rihanna's worldwide tour Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007–09).
  • Link Maroon 5.
  • Already linked in the first paragraph. — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "To further promote Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded, Rihanna performed on several television programs and award ceremonies including FNMTV and the 2008 MTV Video Music Awards." -- She performed songs from the album right, as opposed to just performing per se?
  • Copy-edited it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Background and release

  • "Rihanna began working on her third studio album Good Girl Gone Bad (2007) in late 2006 and by late February 2007, the album was almost complete.[3] Most of its songs were recorded in Westlake Recording Studios in Los Angeles, California, parallel to the recording sessions for her second studio album, A Girl like Me (2006). For the album's production, she worked with some of the producers who were involved on her previous albums, including Evan Rogers and Carl Sturken, Ne-Yo, J.R. Rotem, Sean Garrett, and Norwegian duo StarGate.[3] Rihanna also collaborated with Timbaland and will.i.am for the first time.[3] -- Why do we use the same reference consecutively?
  • Because all the information is in the source; I noted that FAC reviewers want every sentence to be sourced. — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should not source every sentence if every sentence comes from the same source, and whoever suggested that is incorrect. --CassiantoTalk 09:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I sourced only the first and the last sentence of the information coming from the same source. Is it okay now? — Tomíca(T2ME) 10:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no hard and fast rule that one has to cite after a certain amount of sentences in a successive order. The same cite (the last one in this case) should be enough to cover the whole text up until that point. I think only information which contains possibly contentious comments or bold claims should be cited seeing as the article is closely related to a living person. The other scenario would be to repeat the cite only after an interruption of another cite. For example: "Jimmy went to the shops and bought a red balloon.[1] He had his last red balloon stolen in 2011,[2] so bought a white one instead.[1]" If the section of text is neither of these things, I feel it appropriate to only cite once. I'm happy for you to leave it at two here, but anymore than that would be wrong IMO. --CassiantoTalk 22:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, now it's referenced only at the end. I hope it's good ;) ! — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The song premiered..." -- redundant use of "the song". Suggest the use of a pronoun here. In fact together with the pronoun, this sentence could be combined with the first.
  • "first year anniversary" -- redundent use of "year"
  • "The album was released physically..." -- This still sounds odd! Suggest "went on genral release" or "released into the shops" or similar...
  • Mmmm to be honest, I am not sure released into the shops is better than physically. I believe people understand the meaning of physically:). — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I won't press this. --CassiantoTalk 22:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded was first released digitally on June 2, 2008 in certain countries, including Australia,[11] Ireland,[12] New Zealand,[13] and the United Kingdom.[14] The album was released physically on June 13 in Germany.[15] On June 17, it was released in Canada,[16] the United Kingdom,[17] and the United States.[18] A DVD containing behind-the-scenes footage of Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007–09) was included in a special version released in the US for a limited time.[19] Rihanna subsequently hosted a release party for Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded." -- Far too many "releases" or "released" or "release".
  • I used diverse words similar to 'release'. I hope it's fine now. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Material

  • "The song was written by Shaffer "Ne-Yo" Smith..." -- If he is better known by Ne-Yo, then I would stick to this, as his full name is redundent.
  • "Brown took preference to another track, "Forever", which would later be released as the first single from the re-release. He felt that "Disturbia" would be better suited for a female singer and gave it to Rihanna.[25] Kennedy produced the song..." -- Which song? "Forever" or "Disturbia"?
  • Copy-edited it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Singles

  • "... in certain territories" -- Countries.

Promotion

  • Do you perform on award ceremonies, or at award ceremonies?
  • "She sang "Take a Bow" before they performed together their collaboration" →"She sang "Take a Bow" before performing together on their collaboration "If I Never See Your Face Again"."
  • Also, in relation to the above point, who did she perform the collaboration with, Maroon 5 or rapper T.I.?
Done all. — Tomíca(T2ME) 20:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Critical response -- Looks OK.

Commercial performance -- Looks OK

Legacy

  • "Its songs have sold over..." →"It's songs have sold over
  • How do you mean? It is? We are talking about the album itself...
  • Scrap that, I read it incorrectly. --CassiantoTalk 09:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "only behind the songs from The Fame Monster" -- Redundant use of "the songs".

Done for now. Looking good. -- CassiantoTalk 19:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support -- All comments have been satisfactorily addressed, and the article seems comprehensive, thorough and well illustrated. Nice work ;) -- CassiantoTalk 22:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • In the lead, the linking of "studio album" feels like wp:overlinking to me.
  • In "Background and release", where it says "premiered on February 14, 2008, on the KIIS-FM radio show" and "released digitally on June 2, 2008, in certain territories", the comma seems unnecessary in both sentences.
  • In "Background and release", [[Los Angeles, California]] → [[Los Angeles]], [[California]]
  • In "Background and release", replace the em dash with an en dash where it says "Good Girl Gone Bad Tour (2007—09)".

Everything else looks A-okay. SnapSnap 22:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support I enjoyed reading the article and couldn't find any mistakes. It is very detailed despite it is only a re-release. Nice job. I have only one comment; the YouTube sources used for the synopsis of the music video for "Disturbia" and "Take a Bow"" should be replaced. It is an original research to put a link of the videos; after all the links don't state anything about the synopsis. My love is love (talk) 17:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed the state for "Take a Bow" since I couldn't find other FA reliable source, however, I found a better source for "Disturbia". Thank you My love is love! ;) — Tomíca(T2ME) 19:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. SnapSnap 21:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Well written article. Great info that's too the point :) Deserves to be a FA. Good work, Tomica and Status. Arre 02:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Media check - images OK, sound samples fair-use needs some work. Done - (1 sample removed, others improved).

  • images and infobox fair-use are OK.
  • File:Rihanna_-_Disturbia.ogg - ref 24 contains a lot more details and criticism about that song. I would briefly add some of the most notable infos (also helps to strengthen fair-use).
  • File:Rihanna_-_Disturbia.ogg - "Purpose of use": replace the copy/paste info with a detailed rationale, also add a brief comment, why it's not "replaceable". Caption: i'd cut the 22 sec length info, it's overly detailed for a caption.
  • File:If_I_Never_See_Your_Face_Again.ogg - again, ref 29 contains a few more details, which could be included to describe this song. Only "jagged" is too vague. (aside from that, rationale is OK).
  • File:Rihanna_Take_a_Bow.ogg - cut length info from caption, too detailed. But this sample has a bigger problem: none of its audio or musical features is really described in the article, only the lyrics. It fails WP:NFCC, as it can be described by text and does not add significantly to the reader's understanding. Suggest removal, 2 samples should be sufficient.

In general, when the article includes fair-use samples, make sure their musical features are discussed in the article and the samples provide representative, notable examples of the album's style. GermanJoe (talk) 07:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is it okay now? — Tomíca(T2ME) 19:13, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • FUR is improved, thanks (the rationales could be a little more specific for each case, but not objecting over that minor point). Having double-checked refs 24 and 26, i think you got the most notable details out of them. Despite their length they actually contain only few encyclopedic facts. GermanJoe (talk) 19:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources review

  • All links appear to be working
  • Refs 46 and 49 look identical - if so they should be combined
  • Ref 52 language is Dutch
  • Ref 56: Title is "Rihanna's Single And Album Covers Through The Years"
  • Ref 65: I can't find this story on the linked page
    • I replaced it with the exactly same reference from MTV News. — Tomíca(T2ME) 11:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 70: Add note that this site is not available to users outside the US
    • I am from Macedonia and it's available for me, I don't see the problem :/. — Tomíca(T2ME) 11:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 84 language is German
  • Spotchecks: I was only able to check out 3 or 4
  • Ref 47: Text says: "The concept for the video was "high-end erotica"; Source says "The concept appears to be high-end erotica", which is not saying the same thing – the text should reflect the equivocal tone of the source
  • Otherwise, no problems with the few checks I did.

Apart from the issues raised above, sources look properly formatted and of appropriate quality. Brianboulton (talk) 11:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Brian, your help is really appreciated! — Tomíca(T2ME) 11:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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