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Category:St. Pete/Clearwater Elite Invitational

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:40, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:St. Pete/Clearwater Elite Invitational (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only the article on which it is based. User:Namiba 22:44, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman-era historians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#Category:Roman-era historians

Category:Boxing matches by venue

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#Category:Boxing matches by venue

categories named after sports venues

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#categories named after sports venues

Category:Japanese road movies

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge as modified. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 23:23, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant. Genre isn't big enough to encompass both categories and can lead to confusion as to which category a film should belong. There are currently 2 films listed as Category:Japanese comedy-drama films and 7 total films in Category:Japanese road movies with 2 subcategories each with 2 or less films. All 9 films could be listed in the main category without the need for subcategories.
subcategories as redundant. Matsujima (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is confusing. Category:Japanese comedy-drama films currently contains 10 subcategories and 66 articles, not 2 articles as nominator says. Besides I am assuming that Category:Japanese comedy road movies and Category:Japanese drama road movies should be merged rather than deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, only Category:Japanese comedy road movies has been tagged, but for speedy rather than for full CfD. The two other categories have not been tagged. See WP:CFD for instructions. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Matsujima: please react. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I (Fayenatic london) have re-tagged two category pages, and struck the original nomination as inconsistent with the stated rationale. Here, for discussion, is what I think the nominator intended:
Removed Category:Japanese drama road movies, as "comedy-drama" is a special compound name (AKA "dramedy") to distinguish it from mere "comedy" or "drama". A dramedy is its own thing and own tree. It's a term based upon the frequency and vibe of jokes.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 22:14, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rabbis from Prague

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#Category:Rabbis from Prague

Category:European sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 23:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of African descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Algerian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Angolan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Beninese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Bissau-Guinean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Cameroonian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Cape Verdean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Central African Republic descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Democratic Republic of the Congo descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Equatoguinean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Gabonese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Gambian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Ghanaian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Guinean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Ivorian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Kenyan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Malian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Mauritanian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Moroccan descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Nigerian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Republic of the Congo descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Senegalese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Sierra Leonean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of South African descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Togolese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Tunisian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Zimbabwean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Middle Eastern descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
        • Propose deleting Category:Spanish sportspeople of Middle Eastern descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
        • Propose deleting Category:Belgian sportspeople of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
        • Propose deleting Category:French sportspeople of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
        • Propose deleting Category:Spanish sportspeople of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Armenian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Chinese descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Filipino descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Turkic descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of European descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Italian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of North American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:British sportspeople of North American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
        • Propose deleting Category:English sportspeople of North American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of South American descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
      • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Caribbean descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
        • Propose deleting Category:European sportspeople of Barbadian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country.
Summary: Convoluted tree, entangled with others, very few articles. Redundantly, Europeans are of European descent.
Note that although Latin American and South American have already been deleted, a new parallel arises under Carribean.
Note that although Asian and African have already been deleted, 2 new parallels under Arab and Middle Eastern. None of these are actually "Arab", rather they speak Arabic-language. So this runs into a somewhat racist stereotypical grouping by language, not continent.
Already deleted:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3#Category:American sportspeople of European descent
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:Latin American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 13#Category:South American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14#Category:African sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  5. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14#Category:Middle Eastern sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  6. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14#Category:Oceanian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  7. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 15#Category:Asian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin looks like categorization by “race.”
William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:04, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: should you also include from the same creator: Category:Sportspeople of European descent (Category:French sportspeople of European descent, Category:German sportspeople of European descent), and more largely the content of Category:Sportspeople by continent and ethnic or national descent and Category:Sportspeople by region of descent)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Place Clichy (talk • contribs) 2023-01-27 15:45:53 (UTC)
  • Answer: Eventually. I've been working on the prefix side, an hour or so per day. There were so many crosslinks and entanglements, that is complicated. As seen above, that reaches into the suffix side too. Moreover, that stalled (relisted) when not enough folks supported. Once that is cleared up, and a suitable guideline written, it should be easier to handle the suffix side. Also, there are parts that were never well-connected to the rest, so search and destroy will be necessary.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Serbian Romani writers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#Category:Serbian Romani writers

Category:Academics who falsely claimed minority ancestry

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 23:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Academics who falsely claimed minority ancestry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I am doubtful about the propriety of this category. I stumbled upon it when it was linked from Elizabeth Warren's page. As far as I can see, it appears to be a collection of disparate incidents. For example, the BethAnn McLaughlin and Science Femme articles more properly describe hoaxes, rather than an identifiable individual claiming minority ancestry. Others, such as Gina Adams are unproven and therefore potential WP:BLP violations, since the category uses the word "falsely" in Wikipedia's voice. In my view, this category is not so useful as to overcome the potential BLP and COATRACK problems it raises. MediaKill13 (talk) 10:21, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retain or Modify the category name. It may not be seen by some as a narrowly defining characteristic, but it is a point that is often raised about her. She has now ceased making the claim, but the story is still well know. She did make the claim (to the Texas Bar Association, and reportedly to Harvard) and she now admits it is not supported by facts. So, the category does fit, even though she may prefer the topic be forgotten. How do other editors see this issue? Delete, Retain, or maybe have the category renamed something like "Academics who incorrectly claimed minority ancestry"? Full disclosure: I was the one created the category in question. Pete unseth (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - same as Marco, nothing defining, nor intrinsic here, which is to say that one cannot make such a (false) claim - one is what ones feel (s)he is and/or choses to be.--౪ Santa ౪99° 18:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    People can claim/feel anything, but certain facts can be verified or falsified, and these facts can be very important claims in academia, in getting hired, promoted, or recognized; also, these claims can affect how a person's ideas are received. It is not enough to feel or choose identities in these circles. That is why these people have been terminated. Facts are important. Pete unseth (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Both ethnic and national identity are synthetic - nothing intrinsic here. You can only claim and prove that some one has particular citizenship, there is no blood-test for being ethnic English or of Germy nationality. ౪ Santa ౪99° 20:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This being said, yes, we can make distinction between, say, European and Far-East Asian, or African or Paleo-Americans, but broad categorization based on "false claim of minority ancestry" because someone dared to claim has one part in five Cherokee heritage is unnecessary because it is hardly defining (it's hard to expect someone to claim they are of Black African heritage if they are obviously settler-colonist white Afro-German, or some such example). ౪ Santa ౪99° 20:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — WP:BADIDEA WP:NOTSCANDAL inconsistent garbage with WP:BLPGOSSIP specious purpose to defame or denigrate. Note that Elizabeth Warren did not lose her job, the incident was WP:NOTDEFINING (not considered important to anybody). Note this doesn't include Craig Chapman the perpetrator, rather it has the hoax Science Femme.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS come to mind, and is often a bad idea. Place Clichy (talk) 14:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Modify. There is a place for something about this, as long as it's proven; BUT, I don't think it's so much about "minority ancestry" but about status, and those who exploit affirmative action and similar policies. It's been happening a lot in Academia in Canada, and to some extent in the US. But the policies being violated are not the same in both countries. We have similar contentious categories, about which similar arguments have been made to delete. Again, it needs a better name and for editors to just be careful with application. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:38, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-defining. Kbdank71 22:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Croatian writers from Bosnia and Herzegovina

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#Category:Croatian writers from Bosnia and Herzegovina

Category:Wikipedians who have access to Miramar

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians who have access to Miramar Ship Index. Kbdank71 23:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The name of the website is Miramar Ship Index. Gonnym (talk) 07:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who have access to Informit

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4#Category:Wikipedians who have access to Informit

Category:Former Radio-Canada television affiliates

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 23:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Former Radio-Canada television affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Unneeded; similar to other deleted categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — per previous discussions:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 30#Category:Former NET affiliates
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 December 18#Category:Former North American Soccer League teams nominated by The Bushranger
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 December 6#Wikipedia does not categorize based on current status. nominated by Namiba
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cultural depictions of Novak Djokovic

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 23:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Cultural depictions of Novak Djokovic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF - none of the items in this category are remotely defined by having Novak Djokovic in them. fuzzy510 (talk) 03:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom, WP:NOTDEFINING (either for those items or Djokovic). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — especially those he is not even mentioned in the articles.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, it's clear-cut matter.--౪ Santa ౪99° 09:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and discussion above. Kbdank71 20:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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