Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toni Fiore

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The result was no consensus. Trending towards keep given that nobody has rebutted the relevance of the sources provided towards the end of the discussion. Sandstein 09:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Toni Fiore

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Fiore claims to be a “celebrity chef” but I’m unable to find articles on her besides actual recipes, book reviews, and blurbs. There may be more articles on her behind paywalls. Putting her up for discussion in case she is more well-known in the vegan/vegetarian world. LovelyLillith (talk) 19:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 15:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep - Although the coverage isn't in abundance, there seems to be multiple sources with coverage that shows notability of this chef. --ExcutientTalk 19:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As per the sources listed by Psychologist Guy, the PBS one is not independent because her short bio is there because she's been on PBS programs, the ranking of celebrity chefs name-checks her in a list (nothing about her), the Publisher's Weekly is a one-paragraph review of one of her cookbooks. Although she has had a PBS cooking show for years I find very little about her, and other sources are pretty thin, such as this which just name-checks her. She has one cookbook (and has collaborated on one more), and it is "#907 in Vegetarian Cooking" on Amazon. Admittedly, the book is not new, but proof of making a bestseller list would at least be something. Lamona (talk) 05:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 17:06, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: I managed to find a few more reviews of her books and shows [4][5]. She was also featured as a guest in this podcast released by the PCRM, a notable vegan advocacy group (her wp article links here in one reference but makes no mention of the podcast in the text for some reason). In response to Lamona's comment, I tried to find the historic sales rankings of her book, but Amazon doesn't seem to archive subject-specific bestsellers lists; that said, the book was published in 2008, and 907 is an impressive ranking after 15 years. small jars tc 22:29, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The second one you link to is a show that she is in, and therefore not an independent source. Again, the podcast is her speaking, and like an interview is not an independent source. The first one, "Vegetarians in Paradise" is hard to judge. It appears to be a personal web site of two people: "We're just a couple of adventurous pigeons named Zel and Reuben Allen who live in Los Angeles." So that probably does not count as a reliable source. In my searches I turned up that she had shows on PBS, but I couldn't find any write-ups about her outside of that gig. She has one book - that's not a lot for notability even if it did sell well. We'd still need reviews. Lamona (talk) 05:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm with Lamona. I'm amazed to find someone with a cooking show with dozens of episodes can be this non-notable, but she really seems to be. Her website doesn't even have links to press coverage or any kind of press kit. None of the sources mentioned here are significant, independent coverage from reliable sources (I guess with the exception of the PW cookbook review). -- asilvering (talk) 01:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shawn Teller (talk) 04:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete – insufficient independent sources to pass GNG, from the sources I have seen from the article, searches, and here. --IWI (talk) 11:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    1. Goad, Meredith (2008-08-13). "A new chapter for 'Delicious TV' chef Toni Fiore". Portland Press Herald. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03.

      The article notes: "The last time I spoke with Toni Fiore of Cumberland, her vegetarian cooking show, Delicious TV, had just been picked up by 21 public television stations nationwide. That was 2005. ... Fiore, who tapes the show in her own kitchen, now gets mail from vegetarians and vegans all over the world. People send her old family recipes and ask her help in making a meatless version. She cuts the fat and cooking time, too. ... Her own experiments in the kitchen, along with dishes submitted by viewers and recipes from guest chefs, result in about 30 to 40 new recipes in a season. ... The next step seems like a natural one: a companion cookbook to the TV show."

    2. Kamila, Avery Yale (2014-06-11). "'Mashup' back for new season of vegan goodness". Portland Press Herald. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03.

      The article notes: "Popular vegan chefs Terry Hope Romero, Miyoko Schinner and Maine’s own Toni Fiore star in each episode. ... jokes Fiore, who lives in Cumberland and often fields questions from local fans who have seen the reruns on MPBN. ... Carson and Fiore started filming “Totally Vegetarian” in 2002 for Portland’s local cable access station. They later began distributing it to PBS stations, and its 52 episodes have now aired more than 53,000 times. They started filming “Vegan Mashup” in 2012. Having spent her teens and 20s in Italy, Fiore learned to cook in a world where fast food didn’t exist and grocery shopping took place in an open air market. The whole foods and fresh ingredients in her recipes reflect these roots."

    3. Goad, Meredith (2005-11-30). "Veggie TV - Shot in Toni Fiore's Cumberland kitchen, this meat-free cooking show is simply 'Delicious.'". Portland Press Herald. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03.

      The article notes: "The show is currently shooting its second season in Fiore's Cumberland kitchen with Rob Draper of VisionMill, a high-definition production company in Camden. ... Fiore has not eaten meat for 18 to 19 years, and her two children are also vegetarian. ... After writing an article for the Maine Animal Coalition on slaughterhouses, she decided to make a complete transition. On the show, Fiore concentrates perhaps half the time on her casual Mediterranean cooking style. She recently returned from five days in Italy with a cooking crew, and will be incorporating her experiences into a future episode of "Delicious TV." ... Fiore promises that future shows will also be all-veggie, all the time."

    4. "Kitchen TV". Vegetarian Times. No. 341. May–June 2006. p. 96. ISSN 0164-8497. EBSCOhost 20553698.

      The article provides a few sentences of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "Hosted by Toni Fiore, a vegetarian for nearly 20 years, the show highlights healthful recipes with no-fuss preparation. Originally, the Food Network approached Fiore and her producer about airing the show. They were thrilled--until the network proposed adding chicken and fish to the program. Delicious TV said no thanks, and now Fiore brings compassionate cuisine to PBS viewers, with recipes such as tempeh fajitas, veggie wantons, tofu pot pie and sweet vegetable lasagna."

    5. Book reviews:
      1. Meola, Olympia (2008-12-24). "Cookbook Review". Richmond Times-Dispatch. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03.

        The review notes: "From thrifty tips, such as how to reuse paper towels and plastic bags, to a plug for the public television show hosted by author Toni Fiore, "Totally Vegetarian" at first seems like the equivalent of a box of plain couscous. ... Fiore's charm comes through in several places at the start of the book. She suggests you fill a sink with sudsy water, then sink pans and dishes in as you cook to cut down on cleaning time. Do that, she instructs, while water boils or simmers. If you still have time, "stay near the stove and knock out thirty or forty squats." ... Fiore uses the first 46 pages to introduce herself and to tell you how to stock the kitchen, what equipment to buy and which items are essentials in the pantry, fridge and freezer."

      2. McAvoy, Rochelle (2008-12-15). "Totally Vegetarian". South Bend Tribune. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03 – via Newspapers.com.

        The review notes: "In her first cookbook, Toni Fiore has a passionate love of and experience with vegetable-based cooking. "Totally Vegetarian" is full of simple, easy to prepare dishes, from light appetizers to sophisticated breads and pastas, that use affordable as well as accessible ingredients. ... Fiore admits to using viewers' feedback from her television show to "reshape my style of cooking," which is why these recipes are best seen as guidelines."

      3. Bieselin, Robert (2008-08-18). ""Totally Vegetarian"". The Record. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03 – via Newspapers.com.

        The review notes: "This book from Toni Fiore, the host of Delicious TV's "Totally Vegetarian," presents nearly 200 recipes of every sort and style. Separate sections give suggestions for soups, salads, breads, pizzas, burgers, sandwiches and desserts and center dishes on meat substitutes (tofu, tempeh, seitan) and veggies and grains."

      4. Houck, Jeff (2008-09-03). "Eat Their Words: Totally Vegetarian". The Tampa Tribune. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03 – via Newspapers.com.

        The review notes: "Subtitled "Easy, Fast, Comforting Cooking for Every Kind of Vegetarian," Fiore, who hosts the "Totally Vegetarian" series on public television, includes recipes for such dishes as corn bread, pizza and pot stickers that even nonvegetarians can enjoy. Especially helpful is the list of tips for keeping organic foods available on your table and within your budget."

      5. Giuca, Linda (2008-12-11). "Tasty Menu of Books For Cooks". Hartford Courant. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03 – via Newspapers.com.

        The first page of the article is hereInternet Archive.

        The review notes: "The host of public television's "Delicious TV's Totally Vegetarian," Fiore brings a European sensibility to American comfort foods. Nearly 50 pages of introduction describe her transition to vegetarianism as well as offer advice on ingredients, equipment and stocking a pantry. The meatless recipes are flexible enough to adapt to a vegan lifestyle. Fiore also devotes a chapter to soybean-based tempeh and seitan, high-protein meat substitutes."

      6. "Totally Vegetarian: Easy, Fast, Comforting Cooking for Every Kind of Vegetarian". Publishers Weekly. Vol. 255, no. 24. 2008-06-16. p. 46. EBSCOhost 32958597. Archived from the original on 2023-03-03. Retrieved 2023-03-03.

        The review notes: "This all-purpose vegetarian cookbook from the host of the PBS series Delicious TV's Totally Vegetarian offers about 200 accessible recipes ... Fiore's reassuring voice makes even the (somewhat) complicated dishes seem doable; lots of variety in the ingredients and flavors make the book a handy resource for vegetarians in need of daily ideas."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Toni Fiore to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 10:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." After "combin[ing]" the multiple independent sources here "to demonstrate notability", Toni Fiore passes the guideline.

    Cunard (talk) 10:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and kudos to Cunard for finding these sources, especially the articles from the Portland Press Herald. pburka (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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