Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rahul Mandal

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 11:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Mandal

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Appears to be a case of WP:BLP1E. I redirected this article to The Great British Bake Off but it was reverted by its creator twice. GSS (talk|c|em) 07:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk|c|em) 07:28, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Note people have right to edit the page and improve whilst discussion is happening- YOU cannot keep re-directing entry and reverting edits, it's against wikipedia policy. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? HardB (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Accusations of blocking per WP:THREAT for things that aren't a threat are, in themselves, threats.--v/r - T P 18:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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@HardB: Against what policy? And what gives you the authority to lecture other users on what then can and cannot do? You are dangerously close to making a threat there with your comments of IS THAT UNDERSTOOD?--Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep notability NOT only winning a reality show. But role as a columnist for a National publication should qualify for a separate BLP. All other past winners have a separate profile. HardB (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: HardB (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Delete clear violation of WP:BLP1E. Plain and simple. Nothing notable here. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:30, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment HardB So basically you are saying that apart from being a winner of The Great British Bake Off, he is WP:notable for being an editor of the Times Magazine. Do you have anything else to demonstrate that he's notable? Leo1pard (talk) 09:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly passes WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. For example, The Times is the UK's most authoritative newspaper and I have a copy of yesterday's edition here. Right at the top of the front page is a large picture of the subject and the headline "Bake Off winner Rahul Mandal joins The Times". The subject is clearly not a low-profile individual, as required by WP:BLP1E. The other names listed in that item are Nadiya Hussain and Donna Hay, who both have articles. Andrew D. (talk) 10:15, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG. Vermont (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There certainly seems to be plenty of in-depth coverage about him, both during and after the TV show. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's kinda off-topic, but given the title of this article and what happened with WP:WAM around this time last year, I'm incredibly surprised this is a biographical article and not a poorly-translated/copy-pasted article on some arbitrarily-defined administrative region in India that is redundant with various articles on actual settlements covering the same area. I just thought this was humourous timing. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Great British Bake Off. That is what they are notable for and the content can exist there. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Great British Bake Off agree this is what they are notable for, no independent and meaningful notability.Slatersteven (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the appearances on ITV mean that people have seen him who never watched an episode of the GBBO. That meets WP:GNG. MarnetteD|Talk 18:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
delete for lack of sustained coverage per WP:BIO and WP:SUSTAINED; fails WP:PROF. Got 15 minutes of fame and that's it. !votes saying "plenty of coverage afterwards" are ludicrous; he won this month. Jytdog (talk) 19:27, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this bio is to be delete/re-redirected, similar case can be made for past winners Sophie Faldo, Candice Brown, Nancy Birtwhistle. Lets be consistent. HardB (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As noted, the subject passes GNG. In addition to the above reasons to keep, Rahul is a published academic researcher and is involved in a program promoting STEM in the community (a very contemporary issue), which adds notability not previously discussed. This AfD feels a bit arbitrary. At best a couple other winners are little else; Candice Brown is a winner in search of celebrity with a one-paragraph article no one has questioned. Rahul is far more notable. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 01:59, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

am blown away by folks completely ignoring WP:SUSTAINED and WP:BLP1E. Those are the results of long and arduous discussions and it as though they didn't exist. And the person fails WP:PROF - the "published academic researcher" is just ... words meaning nothing in light of what the N guidelines actually say. The notability guidelines matter. Jytdog (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP1E states that "We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met". None of these conditions is met and so WP:BLP1E does not apply. Q.E.D. Andrew D. (talk) 09:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That one is save-able and you should strike it. Wow. Jytdog (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As the point has not been grasped, let's spell it out in more detail. The three conditions specified by WP:BLP1E are:

"If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event." That's debatable because a season of Bake Off consists of multiple events – the weekly episodes. And there are now other events such as this engineering event.
"If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual." The subject is no longer low-profile, being promoted as a correspondent for a national newspaper and being prominent in public events.
"If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented." Each season of Bake Off is a significant spectacle in the UK, attracting much coverage and comment. The role of the winner is obviously substantial and well-documented.

So three conditions and all of them indicate that it is appropriate that we should have an article for the subject. Q.E.D. Andrew D. (talk) 11:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Great British Bake Off. This is indeed a WP:BIO1E case. For now significant coverage has only been during a short time period and only in the context of the The Great British Bake Off show, and including brief info about him in that article and in The Great British Bake Off (series 9) would be sufficient. If there is still significant coverage of him 9 months or so from now, a separate article may be appropriate then. Nsk92 (talk) 10:21, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BIO1E states that "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." So, that guideline supports keeping the page, not suppressing it. Andrew D. (talk) 11:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a Lee Harvey Oswald type situation. The underlying topic, The Great British Bake Off, is a cooking contest TV show. Lots of game shows on TV, they come and they go, not something that strikes me as "highly significant". The subject of this AfD was a contestant on this show and the winner of a particular season. Again, I don't see anything particularly earth shattering about that. There is a winner every season that the show is on, these winners also come and go. If something particularly unusual happens and a specific contestant has a particularly high impact on the show and transforms it in some significant way, there might be something to talk about. But I don't see that here. Nsk92 (talk) 00:15, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Tacyarg (talk) 23:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Great British Bake Off, in my opinion it is WP:TOSOON. FitIndia ^Talk 05:47, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable individual who received significant coverage for multiple events in reliable sources.[1][2][3] -- MapSGV (talk) 10:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep More than enough coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. PohranicniStraze (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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