Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daily Dozen Doughnut Company

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Coolperson177 (message | about me) 00:33, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Dozen Doughnut Company

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.thrillist.com/eat/seattle/best-donuts-seattle	value not understood	value not understood	One of 11 items in this local listicle, with a two-sentence blurb	✘ No
https://seattle.eater.com/maps/best-seattle-doughnut-shops-donut	value not understood	value not understood	One of 17 items in this local listicle, with a two-sentence blurb	✘ No
https://www.sunset.com/travel/northwest/hole-y-grail	value not understood	value not understood	One of 4 items in this local listicle, with one paragraph largely quoting the owner	✘ No
https://www.thestranger.com/stranger-suggests/2022/08/15/77733594/happy-115th-birthday-to-pike-place-heres-a-doughnut	value not understood	value not understood	Local alt paper briefly shares that among the Market's anniversary events, 115 people can get a free donut	✘ No
https://www.thrillist.com/venue/drink/seattle/bar/daily-dozen-doughnut-co	value not understood	value not understood	One-sentence generic business listing that any store has on this site to post their website and location.	✘ No
https://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/food/slideshow/Seattle-s-best-doughnuts-127951.php	value not understood	value not understood	One of 10 items in this local listicle, with a single sentence	✘ No
https://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/food/article/most-iconic-seattle-food-bites-and-drinks-16701911.php	value not understood	value not understood	One of 26 items in this local listicle, with a single sentence	✘ No
https://seattle.eater.com/maps/best-doughnut-shops-seattle-takeout-delivery	value not understood	value not understood	One of 13 items in this local listicle, with a single sentence	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

I've been here. Their donuts are good. But there's not significant coverage to pass WP:GNG or WP:NORG. It's one of many donut stores in Seattle (and the world), and they aren't notable here because local outlets churn out their "daily dozen" lists of places to buy food in the city with brief listings of stores and restaurant counters. Wikipedia's not just a compilation of listicle entries, and more dedicated and in-depth coverage is needed to establish notability. Reywas92^Talk 15:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, and Washington. – dudhhr (1 enby in a trenchcoat)^talk _contribs (he/they) 16:05, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I watch Seattle articles. The Pike Place Market is one of the most visited tourist attractions in the world, and almost everyone who goes there sees this weird donut booth. I asked a friend who said that this donut place has been there since the 60s; I cannot find a source, but in any case, this is place is old and positioned as a spectacle for a lot of tourists. I am satisfied with the 8 cited sources here talking about location, the donut machine they use, and how people like the donuts. There are lots of other places nearby selling baked goods and donuts - this one has the media attention and the others do not. The reviews are organic and not paid promotion. Bluerasberry (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- This is absurdity. The Pike Place Market has scores of stores and restaurants, and they do not individually inherit its notability. There can be a List of businesses at the Pike Place Market, but there's not an automatic need for pages on each one. Reywas92^Talk 17:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  I'm not creating entries for each business at Pike Place Market. I'm only creating entries for the notable ones... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  
  I agree with Reywas - most of the businesses at the Pike Place Market do not merit articles. This one does though, because the sources cover it and not other shops. The sources do not say this, but this particular donut shop occupies some of the most valuable real estate in the market and in Seattle, and it is a fair candidate for being the most recognizable donut shop in the world. It does not surprise me to see that this particular donut shop gets media attention when others do not. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per GNG (disclaimer: article creator). Sufficient secondary coverage, in my opinion. I'm getting tired of having to defend my work to this particular editor, who I've now asked to slow down with deletion nominations. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:48, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Adequately sourced, cited as one of "Seattle's best doughnuts" by a notable newspaper and mentioned in numerous books on Seattle. The article could do with a bit more info on the history and background if possible, and perhaps cutting back a little on some of the reception quotes, but I think the subject is acceptable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- "Mention" is not significant coverage, and this does not pass GNG or NORG. These very short sources indicate there are at least a bakers' dozen of best donuts in Seattle, and that doesn't make them all notable. Reywas92^Talk 17:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I wouldn't find it unusual if all of the "best donuts in large city X" had notability to become articles. Spurious. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe in a discussion about the donut culture/landscape in the city, not each and every business on their own. Oaktree b (talk) 17:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No one is suggesting "each and every business" needs an article. But notable businesses qualify for one. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Could perhaps be a one paragraph thing in the Marketplace's article, rest is trivial. Oaktree b (talk) 17:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Expanded lede, description, and history sections. Added SIGCOV from Seattle Gay News about owner Barbara Elza's dispute with the Pike Place Market Preservation and Development Authority (2009–2012) over her decision to display a rainbow flag at Daily Doughnuts during Pride Month (and eventually deciding not to take it down). SGN refers to other coverage in The Stranger newspaper which might be worth chasing down at some point, but in any case, this is an interesting part of the company history which helps to get it over the line in terms of coverage of the organization vs. "just" the product. To improve further, I would follow Dr. Blofeld's advice and look at further expansion of the history section and pare down some of the lengthy, exuberant quotes in the reviews section. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your improvements to the article. I agree, the Reception section could use a bit of trimming. I had to include what I could find quickly, after the article was nominated unnecessarily. I'll likely get around to promoting to Good article status in the near future. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Has enough SIGCOV from independent RSs, thus I'd say it passes the golden rule DecafPotato (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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