User talk:Neier/Archive2

Koganezawa is correct. Didn't realized I messed it up. -William McDuff 22:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - Regarding this edit. The article on Akita Prefecture currently lists 37 municipalities, and the infobox still has the 65 number. The issue is there are literally hundreds of mergers of municipalities going on in Japan, see Merger and dissolution of municipalities of Japan. I've been working on a variety of updates to the relevant Wikipedia articles. If you'd like to help, please let me know (it's a tremendous amount of work. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rick, I know it's a lot of work. I was trying to stay away, and keep to the rail stations; but, somehow, one of those pages threw me to Omagari, Akita which I knew had been dissolved. I fixed Daisen, Akita and went to update the count. I didn't trust the previous prefecture count, to just subtract the changes I had made; so, I checked the ja:Template:秋田県の自治体, and came up with 29 (35 if you count -gun, but I don't think you do; even though I put two or three into the dissolved category last night). 65 and 29 were different enough that I foolishly checked to see what was different, and found several more mergers that were in various degrees of completeness in the articles (some had the new city page, some didn't). I picked my way through those until I started to get sleepy and see Japanese ombudsmen dancing around in my head. I think there is one more new city Katagami, Akita to add, and a few more existing cities to expand. Hopefully, I'll get around to that tonight, and then there will finally be just 29 listed on Akita's page, to match the prefecture page count.

I'd be willing to help some. I'd been trying to follow your list at Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Jan-Mar with the cities I've done so far. What is left up here in Tohoku?? Neier 22:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've been going through the prefectures in English alphabetical order and currently I'm on Kagoshima. So, I haven't touched Miyagi Prefecture or Yamagata Prefecture. I've refined what I've been doing a little (specifically, adding a sort key so category:dissolved municipalities of Japan lists them sorted by prefecture, updating the district articles, and making sure there are articles for any new towns/cities). This is actually my second pass through all the towns/villages (first pass was adding the categories, and toward the end I started adding other stuff, like the town website). Looks like there is already some merger info in both the Miyagi and Yamagata articles - although I wouldn't be surprised if there were more. And, you're right, districts (-gun) don't count in the municipality count. BTW - I've found occasions where the city or district population and size data has not been updated in the Japanese Wikipedia. Where it's clearly wrong, I've updated a couple (as an anon in ja: - I suppose I could get a login, but it seems a little silly since I don't read or write Japanese!). In any event, any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Akita is finished until a couple of scheduled mergers in 2006. I think that 29 matches for everything (infobox, prefecture article, list in Akita article) now.

On a slightly related topic, what do you think about a template for each prefecture that does nothing but hold each municipality's population? I figure that population figures are updated fairly regularly within a prefecture or even the country, so rather than editing 29 different info boxes, someone could take the latest data and plug it into one template and each info box would take what it needed automatically. I still need to hash out the details, but it should work. Neier 13:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your idea - I've been thinking it might be useful to have municipality counts handled the same way. The population data is generally annotated (at least in the prefecture articles) with an "as of" date, and I've noticed the "as of" date is not the same for all the prefectures. I'm not sure what this means, but if it's because they collect census data at different times (which would seem weird to me) centralizing the population stats in a template might not work so well. I suppose the template could have both the population and the "as of" date (per prefecture). BTW - as far as I know, there isn't a way to do this in a single template that doesn't simply invoked subtemplates for each prefecture, which I think means it'd be just as easy to have 47 templates at the beginning. I actually think this wouldn't even have to be in template space, i.e. there could be an "article" named something like Akita/population with the population, included in the appropriate places with the syntax {{:Akita/population}}. In any event, I agree numbers that show up in multiple places should ideally be stored once. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Check out User:Neier/Sandbox/Population for an example. I made a template called {{::Template:Population of Miyagi municipalities}} and on my sandbox page, I've called it twice with two different city names. You can edit the PoMm template with the city names and populations, then in each city's page, call {{Population of Miyagi municipalities|City1}} with whatever city you want. I think this will work out ok. Neier 13:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - seems like the template language has evolved somewhat. Assuming the "as of" issue can be resolved, this looks fine to me. -- Rick Block (talk) 19:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The "as of" issue was tricky, but it's all for the better. Now, if you look at User:Neier/Sandbox/Population, you'll see the population and sometimes the date, in different formats. By playing around with templates, I made four default display styles:

• POPULATION
• POPULATION DATE
• POPULATION as of DATE
• POPULATION as of DATE

The main population template only holds the city name, and a call to a second template which displays the date (or, doesn't display the date). Right now, four templates are set up JCensusShowNone, JCensusShowDate, JCensusShowAsof, and JCensusShowSmallAsof.

To put the population (and, optionally the date) on a page, you just need to include the {{::Template:Population of Miyagi municipalities}} with two parameters: CITY and DISPLAYFORMAT (DISPLAYFORMAT is None, ShowDate, ShowAsof, or ShowSmallAsof)

More display styles are easy to add, but we may want a way to document them all before they get out of control. Neier 12:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Very cool! I don't know if you know, but there seems to be some debate starting up again about meta-templates (templates that use other templates) like these, see Wikipedia talk:Avoid using meta-templates. I think as long as there aren't thousands of articles (or templates) using them, it's likely not to be much of an issue (but I have no particular authority over this - or much of anything else for that matter!). There's another argument against this kind of thing as well, which is that it makes editing the articles too complicated for beginners. I don't know if you know him, but user:TakuyaMurata even had a preference against the infobox template I added to all the prefecture articles. I don't mean to overly dampen your enthusiam, just be aware that there are folks around who actively dislike these sorts of approaches. I'm not sure what the general feeling is at WP:JAWNB these days - you might solicit feedback on the approach before taking it much farther. I'm impressed - good job! -- Rick Block (talk) 00:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What did we decide to do with Narimasu? I'm working on Itabashi, Tokyo (thanks for the suggestion for a name for the outposts) and that's where Narimasu and its subway station are. I called it "Narimasu Subway Station" but the red link on Yurakucho Line is Chikatetsu ... . Did the discussion come to a conclusion? Fg2 03:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Chikatetsu Narimasu Station it is. Fg2 06:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed that you're adding the CategoryTOC template to new categories that have very few articles in them. The template is only needed when there are 400 or more articles in a category. -- Samuel Wantman 09:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the above from my User:Neier page Neier 12:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please help me protect the main Japan article. It is constantly under attack by vandals and Japanese nationalists. I would really appreciate your assistance. Thanks.--Sir Edgar 23:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My bot presented me with the article and I made a choice between Japan and Japanese language. I'm sorry that I made the mistake and glad you fixed it for me. I can only guess that it was a lapse in my concentration that caused the error.--Commander Keane 22:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For fixing my link to Tobu Ogose Line. I spotted the new article but botched the link to it. Fg2 00:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops — the point of that edit was to organise the section, not to remove those links. Beforehand, the section was messy. I'll put links to those teams that have an article. Thanks for pointing that out. Neonumbers 00:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article Tanaka Giichi refers to him as a Baron. Can you check the Japanese wikipedia article and see if there is a better term (the talk page seems to say you checked the ja.wiki for the birth date)? At least two reputatable encylcopedias (online) use Baron, so it may be the closest western term. (I don't know any Japanese and my computer doesn't even display the characters, they're all squares for me). RJFJR 16:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking into this. RJFJR 05:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Neier, I can't recall why I put the photo on the left, but probably as you said it just looks better there. Early on, I experimented a lot with layout of photos. Later, I wound up putting nearly all of them on the right. I seem to remember reading what you said about putting photos on the right, so that's what I've been doing lately. Fg2 21:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it started as a young women movement, then spreaded practicaly everywhere else... Random "criticism" w/o citation can go (as you removed) :) --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 12:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know several (definitely) non-female, and (debatedly) non-young guys at work with things on the desks or stuck to their keitai which would be a laughingstock in other places. I think I mentioned the HelloKitty trucks in another post. There's just a pervasive "kawaii" attitude in Japan. Looking around my den at the various junk, er, cultural icons I've accumulated, I guess I'm a victim of the cuteness, like everyone else.  :) I think I disagree with pretty much everybody on the talk page, if that's possible. The ones who want to kill the article don't want to acknowledge the cultural aspects of Kawaii, just because there is no officially named cultural aspect. The other side seems to want to throw the label around onto things which are Kawaii by association, like "Kawaii style".

Personally, I think the article can be refashioned with a leading sentence like "Kawaii is a term used in manga/anime circles, to encompass a broad area of Cuteness related to Japanese art and culture". Continue from that with a description of the Japanese adjective, and some varied examples of Kawaii (not just anime cels, but grown men with Anpanman cell phone straps, or my Tom & Jerry bankbook, etc). Maybe it's unfortunate that the anime subculture looked at "cute" anime, and decided to adorn the genre with Kawaii just because the word and the anime were both Japanese. As someone pointed out, there is no "Kawaii Manga" section at a Japanese bookstore. But, that's the term that you're stuck with. I also wonder about Kodomo, Seinen, and some other wikipedia entries which are standalone Japanese words that describe manga genres. This same battle may erupt there, as well. Neier 13:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I am not disputing Kawaii is in every office of all ages and gender. It just started as a young girl movement according to few articles I read (historic background). Arent we all victims of cuteness... Kawaii in anime/manga (main industry by far) should be in article, all we have is three images from anime atm. Is there any anime/manga NOT kawaii? I do not believe so as it wouldn't sell. Tom and Jerry would be a fine example of Kawaii in other cultures.

Kawaii style is broad and goes without saying it is suggesting something like "fiction style". It is something goes without saying and taken for granted in Japan and perhaps by anime/manga fans outside japan as well but for a stranger it is most certaily a cultural insight. Antropology isn't easy to write about.

The talk page debate currently is how to shorten the article, frankly I have never seen any wikipedia editor who tries to delete the article, fails, and basicaly blanks the article by "removing pov" even if the pov is cited.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 13:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Japanese macrons, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  00:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you recreated the page and added the third link. Do you really think that this requires a disambig? I removed it because I felt it was useless, and indeed at the moment it is, with both the links being properly handled at the main page. I can understand if you want to keep it to be used in the future, but I just really don't see the value it has right now.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  14:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from main user page

Since you have taken an interest in date links. Please be kind enough to vote for my new bot application. bobblewik 20:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the last few edits you made, I think the "elite" statement was referring to her status as an elite skater, and that of the current elite skaters, holding a college degree puts her in a small group. Also, regarding the skating rinks, I saw quotes this weekend from her that showed she was disappointed by the small number of good rinks in Japan. Whether that is the prevailing reason for her move to CT, I don't know. At any rate, the rink she trained at when she was a child is(was) about 2 miles from my house. I've intended to go over and snap a picture or two for this article; but, there's a good chance it is not standing anymore. (The entire facility closed last fall). Neier 23:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we have to be very careful when using the term "elite" because if stating that she's an elite skater just because she has a college degree, then it would not exactly be truthful. Lots of athletes in the world hold college degrees and that doesn't make them any more special or unique. The statement would be more true if it were stated that to Japanese standards, her status as a college graduate and that of a fine skater is somewhat unique for I do understand that it's not commonplace for Asian athletes to be college grads, though this is changing very quickly these days. Unlike the US where colleges are heavy into sporting events and athletes are on sports scholarships, etc., I know that colleges in Asia tend to be very academically focused. Thus many college students have to choose between going to college or pursuing a sporting career. In Arakawa's case, she had both - hence, the uniqueness. In regards to her training, many, many world skaters train in the US because of the better facilities. If you do research, you'd find that many of the Russian, European and even Chinese skaters live and train in the US as well. I think that we can state that she trains in the rink at CT because it has superior training facilities and support if compared to rinks in Japan. Arakawa's present coach is based at the skating rink she trains at in CT. It would only be natural for her to be there. --speedoflight | talk to me 09:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the original intent was to say "There are many elite skaters. Shizuka is an elite skater. Shizuka also has a college degree, which is not common among the current elite skaters." I don't know the educational backgrounds of other skaters, so I can't say whether the sentence was appropriate or not. It is fine that it is deleted; but I also don't have any strong objections if it is put back. I just wanted to be sure that it was removed for the right reason (not, because elite seemed to described college graduate). Anyway, I'll stop taking up your time. BTW, I enjoyed your other edits to that article – they were very informative. I was hoping it would grow beyond the stub that it used to be. Neier 09:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to write your feedback. To be honest, I don't know much about Arakawa and mostly learned about her during the ladies' skating competition at the Torino Games. I did not enjoy the lop sided coverage of Cohen and Slutskaya and the lack of respect for Arakawa's skating by NBC and its commentators. So I started reading articles on the Web to learn more about Arakawa. I found it to be a fresh breath of air to see someone else, somewhat like an underdog come in and take the gold. That's what's so wonderful about the Olympic Games...unexpected things happen. --speedoflight | talk to me 10:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's pretty funny. I took an interest for pretty much the same reason, only, it was before the Olympics when all of the Japanese announcers were playing up Miki Ando, and to a lesser extent Suguri. Arakawa had won the championships two years ago, so I was puzzled by the lack of respect. Ando has most of the promotional tie-ins, etc. It was amusing to watch TV as the networks replayed the free-skate all morning, and then cut to commercials with Ando. Neier 11:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about Japanese skaters. We don't get any/much coverage of other skating nationals here in the US. As you know, going into the Olympics, Michelle Kwan was the super favorite of the US media and next was Sasha Cohen. I knew about Slutskaya from the reports. But not much of anyone else. When I saw Arakawa skate her routine, particularly her free skate program...I thought she had so much elegance and maturity. Sasha may have her technical and artistic stuff down but it was quite obvious that Arakawa's maturity as a person came through in her skating. It's not quite common to see this type of maturity come through for as you know the past 2 gold medallists (Oksana Baiul and Sarah Hughes) were just teens when they won. It was nice to see such a different presentation. I've often felt that that type of skating maturity comes through a lot more in the men's program. It could be because the male competitors tend to be older by age compared to the female skaters. Here in the US, there was a lot of review of both Yevgeny Plushenko and Arakawa's skating. The NBC commentators said that Plushenko's program was difficult to execute because of his complicated jumps but lacked artistic interpretation. If you put Plushenko and Arakawa's skating side-by-side, you'd really see each of their personality in their routines. Plushenko, the powerpacked young man who wished to thrill and Arakawa the refined artist who is more classical. In the end, the annals of Olympic history would always have their names etched as the winners of the 2006 figure skating gold. The side banter as to whether Cohen or etc. was better is now merely just words. It's the hardware (gold) that counts! I wonder if Arakawa would retire from competitive skating now that she has won the Olympic gold. --speedoflight | talk to me 17:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've been assigned to be the mediator for the Japanese Macrons case. Discussion will be carried out on the Talk page of the case request. I will have some preliminary questions up soon, I am looking forward to working with everyone to get this resolved. Thank you, pschemp | talk 16:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there. Sorry for not replying sooner, but I have been in the process of moving home. I thought I'd already put all the categories up for deletion, as seen here, yet must have missed those ones. Thanks for noticing them and cleaning up my mess. Best wishes Spyrides 13:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC) Spychats[reply]

My last comment at Wikipedia talk:Bots was about the specific link to January on the Mrs Beeton page. If you include days of the week like Tuesday, there are thousands of links to plain english terms that happen to be date words.

As for years, we can tackle them manually. But it is quite a task for just one or two editors. Fortunately, it seems that more editors are getting the message and are becoming inclined to reduce overlinking. You may wish to make use of the regex at: User:Bobblewik/monobook.js/dates.js. Caveat emptor. Regards. bobblewik 08:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Neier. I see you've been editing some pages on Japanese railways. I have proposed the creation of WikiProject Trains in Japan to improve the quality and visibility of such articles. If you're interested, please have a look at the proposal. I hope you can join! Thanks - Tangotango 06:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for voicing your interest in this project. I'll be looking around for more people, so if you know anyone who might be interested, please let them know. Thanks! - Tangotango 13:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the wording, because secretly I feel that all Japanese stations should be on enwiki too ;) (As long as they're fully developed articles, I see no harm. But priority is an important issue, as you point out.) I've seen your impressive list before - a lot of work is still needed to cover all of them. I hope we can get more users to join us. - Tangotango 14:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We now have 5 people interested in the project, and I've created the project page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan, shortcut WP:TJ. For now the page is a bit disorganized, but I hope we can improve that soon. Well, hope to see you on the project page! (Please add your name to the Participants list). Cheers, Tangotango 02:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, we have a proposed solution now and need everyone's input as to whether its acceptable so the rfm can be closed. Please add your comment to bottom of the page. Thank you, pschemp | talk 17:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there. You have proposed the article Family fun pack for sims for deletion without providing a reason why in the {{prod}} template. You may be interested to know that you can add your reasoning like that: {{prod|Add reason for deletion here}}. This will make your reasoning show up in the article's deletion notice. It will also aid other users in considering your suggestion on the Proposed Deletions log. See also: How to propose deletion of an article. Sandstein 14:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to apologize for not being more active in the mediation. As usual the discussion didn't follow any of the issues that I initially intended to put to the test and the whole process was just used as another sticking board for people to bring up and list issues that have already been decided and are directly unrelated to the case. Kind of feels like an "agreement at all costs" meditation, but it was clearly doomed from the start anyways.

On another note, don't think I forgot about the kimarite article! It may take me a while yet (sitting in my sandbox, growing steadily), but I won't put that article to waste.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  05:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hah! I've never heard anyone use amanojaku in that context before. I'll try to convince my housemates to call me that.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  01:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I have modified the entry on the Joban Line page to clarify any possible misunderstandings. The women-only cars will only be included on the through-running trains to the Chiyoda Line, not those going to Ueno. Dave aka DAJF 08:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

		The Technology Barnstar
		I, Tangotango, do hereby award this Technology Barnstar to Neier for his diligent efforts to create and improve articles on Japanese railways. Keep up the good work! ;) Tangotango 13:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Someday, I hope all of those templates will have blue links. (^.^) There's a wealth of information on the Japanese site; but, without an existing article, I know some people would be reluctant to make a new article about a station that they have experience with. So, hopefully the stubs will lead to more active editors. Neier 10:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I'll get off my rear and start uploading my 'takusan eki-o shashin'. Thanks for doing all the grunt work of translating the pages! -William McDuff 11:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Golden week was pretty boring this year. (*.*) I like your goal of convincing ALTs to add to their local area; and, if a few hours of grunt work leads to a few expanded pages, then it is a good thing for WP. I still have two lines to finish in Miyagi. One is down south, and the other one is the Kurihara line which is closing next year. I haven't decided how to treat that one. Since we keep articles for merged towns around, I guess it would be ok to add them. What do you think? Neier 13:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I want to see them added, if for no other reason than I have pictures off all the stations from Golden Week... :D (Including Hosoura, which was closed long ago.) -William McDuff 02:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. You convinced me. Neier 13:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You don't say "bread and butter"? When I was a kid, when bees were around, we used to say that to ward them off. Fg2 09:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I grew up on a farm; and my uncle raised bees for a short time. But, I've never heard that expression. It's not one of those rhyme games, is it? (Cockney rhyming slang). -- Neier 09:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please move the article. Thanks for sorting that out, I didn't realise :) Cheers, Tangotango 13:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for reading over my editions of the Kita-Tokiwa Station. Concerning your change, I'm aware of the standards for translating Japanese municipality names, but in this case I was using "town" not as part of the town's name but to convey that the station is operated by the "town" government. I've reverted your change, but also changed the wording to make the intended meaning more clear. Take a look and let me know what you think. -- Meyer 04:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very sorry. I simply didn't scroll down far enough through the change summary, missing your changes to the note on station reconstruction, before I reverted your changes. I apologize.

I have edited the article to replace the essence of what you did on that line. I looked-up a few other sources on the Web and your interpretation of the slightly obtuse line in the ja.WP article seems correct.

I wasn't quite satisfied with your wording, decided that the name of the town at the time the facility was rebuilt is not a particularly useful or necessary piece of information, and so have simplified the line a bit from your version. Feel free to blast away if you can think of a better way to say it. --Meyer 08:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Listing every train station in Japan, most all of which are one-liners, is not appropriate for Wikipedia. —Centrx→talk • 06:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The stations I have added are one-liners due to the fact that I created them from a basic cut/paste form, with minimal information copied from the Japanese wikipedia. In most cases, there is much more info there – it is just waiting for translation. Note that all articles have the transwiki link to the Japanese article, so anyone with bilingual skills who stumbles across them can improve them. (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan for a list of users who actively particpate in this effort.) At any rate, I see that there is a new discussion going on at User:Mangoe/Wikipedia is not a timetable that covers your concern. Neier 13:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The source of the {{lifetime}} template is as follows:

{{{1{{{1|}}}|[[Category:{{{1}}} births|{{{3}}}]]}}}
{{Ifndef|{{{1}}}|[[Category:Year of birth unknown|{{{3}}}]]}}
{{{2{{{2|}}}|[[Category:{{{2}}} deaths|{{{3}}}]]}}}
{{Ifndef|{{{2}}}|[[Category:Living people|{{{3}}}]]}}

So the bot is functioning as intended, if something strange is going on then I think it lies in the source. --WinHunter ^(talk) 03:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this template was listed in WP:SUBST, though I think I won't be subst' this template in the future to avoid confusion. --WinHunter ^(talk) 03:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You voted Keep and Redirect/Merge. Is it possible you could make it clearer whether you want to

• Keep the article and its content exactly where it is

OR

• Merge the content and redirect the article to wherever suitable

?Clinkophonist 16:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Neier, thanks for your comment at regarding adding the country for a competitor. I have created a test version at User:Mattbr30/Sandbox if you would like to have a look. There are also some comments on my talk page, on which I would be greatful for your input. Thanks, mattbr³⁰ 14:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I noticed that you put a very welcome clarifying edit on the Hoshi Ryokan which I created a couple of days ago. Let me explain why I created the article: I have nominated the List of famous hotels for deletion because of spam, verifiability and neutrality issues and it seems like consensus is building for deletion. However, some hotels on that list are probably deserving of an entry and so I created some stubs for hotels that are of encyclopedic interest. For some reason, many of the Japanese hotels listed on the page to be deleted seem to be hotels with a full century of history and many are probably notable enough for their own wikipedia article. However, I find it difficult to do even the most basic research on them given that I cannot read japanese. Ok, so this was my veeeery long introduction to a simple request for a favor: can you help me figure out first which of these hotels are most deserving of a stub and secondly what are the most basic things the stub should include? Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 18:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a general message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan to get some more eyes looking at the list. I really don't know what would be notable or not; but, I checked the hotel category of the Japanese wikipedia, and these hotels (from the to-be-deleted list) have articles:

Hakone

• Fujiya Hotel (1878) (ja:富士屋ホテル)

Kyoto

• Kyoto Hotel Okura (1888) (ja:京都ホテル)
• The Westin Miyako Kyoto (1900) (Only listed in an article about Miyako Hotels: ja:都ホテルズ&リゾーツ)

Nagano

• The Saihokukan Hotel (1890) (ja:犀北館)

Nagoya

• Hilton Nagoya (1989) (Only listed in an article about Hilton Hotels: ja:ヒルトン)

Osaka

• Hilton Osaka (1986) (Only listed in an article about Hilton Hotels: ja:ヒルトン)
• Hotel Hankyu International (1992) (Only listed in an article about Hankyu Hotelst ja:阪急ホテルマネジメント)
• Hotel New Otani Osaka (1986) (Only listed in an article about New Otani Hotels ja:ニューオータニ)
• Hyatt Regency Osaka (1994) (Only listed in an article about Hyatt hotels ja:ハイアットホテルアンドリゾーツ)
• Rihga Royal Hotel (1935) (ja:リーガロイヤルホテル)
• The Ritz-Carlton Osaka (1997) (Only listed in an article about Ritz-Carlton ja:ザ・リッツ・カールトン)

Takarazuka

• Takarazuka Hotel (1926) (ja:宝塚ホテル

Tokyo

• Four Seasons Hotel Tokyo at Chinzan-so (1992) (Only listed in an article about Four Seasons Hotels ja:フォーシーズンズホテル
• Grand Hyatt Tokyo (2003) (Only listed in an article about Hyatt hotels ja:ハイアットホテルアンドリゾーツ)
• Hotel New Otani (1964) (Only listed in an article about New Otani Hotels ja:ニューオータニ)
• Hotel Okura Tokyo (1962) (Only listed in an article about Okura Hotels; but, relatively famous) ja:ホテルオークラ
• InterContinental Tokyo Bay (1995) (Only listed in article about Intercontinental Hotels ja:インターコンチネンタルホテルズグループ)
• Park Hyatt Tokyo (1994) (ja:パークハイアット東京)

And, these three are in well-known touristy areas, so they may have a claim to notability based on that, and their age. I couldn't find anything in the hotel category on the Japanese wikipedia about them.

Karuizawa

• Mampei Hotel (1894)

Nara

• Nara Hotel (1909)

Thanks a lot. I'm not sure if I'll have time to add all of these in but maybe someone from the Japan project will chip in. I actually posted my 2 cents on the project's talk page myself. Pascal.Tesson 23:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please be careful as you're in danger of violating the 3RR rule on this article. I know you are just trying to keep the NPOV mention of the controversial song version in the article. Thanks for keeping a level head there. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your arguments and rationalizations are very weak. The rule where a person cannot add a link to his own site is totally unenforceable. Anyone can login as anonymous and add a link to his/her site. What are you doing about those links? How do you know if the person is or is not the owner of the external link's Web site? I have never tried to deny nor hide that it is my site.

If making money from my site means having a few Google ads which yield only a few dollars per month, then what about all those links to much more commercial sites? Corporate sites, official local government sites which include ads for local businesses, etc., etc. Are you gonna delete those links too? They are all making money from their sites. And much more than I do.

As for having my links on 50 pages, it goes to show how much content my site has for Japan. The vast majority of Japan-related articles are stubs, and viewers will never get much info out of them. My links lead to more pictures and information which Wikipedia will never be able to achieve for those stubs. Photojpn.org 06:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]