Talk:Wojdan Shaherkani

This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

	Wojdan Shaherkani has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones Date Process Result October 18, 2012 Good article nominee Listed
	A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 2, 2012. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that 2012 Olympic judo competitor Wodjan Shaherkani is required to be accompanied by a male guardian during the Games?

This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Sports and Games This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles This article is supported by the sports and games work group (assessed as Low-importance). Olympics Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Olympics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Olympics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OlympicsWikipedia:WikiProject OlympicsTemplate:WikiProject OlympicsOlympics articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Martial arts This article is within the scope of WikiProject Martial arts. Please use these guidelines and suggestions to help improve this article. If you think something is missing, please help us improve them!Martial artsWikipedia:WikiProject Martial artsTemplate:WikiProject Martial artsMartial arts articles Saudi Arabia Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Saudi Arabia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Saudi Arabia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Saudi ArabiaWikipedia:WikiProject Saudi ArabiaTemplate:WikiProject Saudi ArabiaSaudi Arabia articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Women's sport: Martial arts Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's sport (and women in sports), a WikiProject which aims to improve coverage of women in sports on Wikipedia. For more information, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.Women's sportWikipedia:WikiProject Women's sportTemplate:WikiProject Women's sportWomen's sport articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the Women's martial arts task force. Women's History Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

the official London 2012 website gives Wojdan as her name, a lot of newspapers call her Wodjan. are there any reliable sources? the arabic WP gives her name as وجدان (I think), and having this read by google translate sounds a lot like Wojdan [1]. could this be another case of journalists copying false information from each other? --MarioS (talk) 10:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wojdan Shaherkani/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sarastro1 (talk · contribs) 19:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This looks pretty solid. I've made a few prose tweaks, which you may feel free to revert if you are not happy with them or I've messed anything up. Mainly minor issues to address which are concerned with prose or clarity. There are one or two other things which it may be worth adding for a more complete article, and while I would recommend doing so, I would not insist on it to pass this GA.

• There are several places which imply that the Games have not yet happened, such as "The Saudi Arabian Olympic Committee has imposed special rules", or "The Saudi Arabian Olympic Committee has chosen not to promote Shahrkhani's participation. They have also required that she "dress modestly, be accompanied by a male guardian and not mix with men" while in London for the 2012 Games", "The other Saudi woman selected is Pepperdine University-based runner Sarah Attar", "(who often speaks for her, partially because she does not know English)".
  • Think these are all fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Missed the last two; I did the first, but the second is marginal and would be OK kept as it is really. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Just checking: in UK English, in the lead, it should be "practised", and I'm not sure which variety we are using here.
  • Trying for UK English. (I'm from the USA and live in Australia. My UK English has moments of daily.) --LauraHale (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Judo is overlinked: linked in first two paragraphs.
• Fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Can we link blue belt and black belt?
  • No article exists for blue belt. It redirects to Black belt (martial arts). Added link to that in the article. --LauraHale (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• "Shahrkhani was selected despite not meeting Olympic qualifying standards,[7] by specific invitation of the International Olympic Committee (IOC).[8]": Maybe better as "Although not meeting the Olympic qualifying standards, she was selected by specific [maybe "special" would work better] invitation of the International Olympic Committee (IOC)."
• What were the Olympic qualifying standards? I think it is worth spelling it out for the reader to get an idea of how far short she was of meeting them.
  • Fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• "Unlike other judoka in competition, who have attained black belts in the sport, she had only acquired a blue belt": As the blue belt has already been mentioned, maybe this would be better as "Other judoka in the competition had attained black belts in the sport, in contrast to Shaherkani's blue belt:.
  • Fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Tweaked this a little as it didn't quite make sense. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• "Shahrkhani's inclusion in the games came despite opposition inside Saudi Arabia to women representing the country at the Olympics.": A little clumsy; maybe just "There was opposite within Saudi Arabia to the concept of women representing the country at the Olympics".
  • Fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• "Ultimately the Saudi government gave in to international pressure from sport and women's rights activists to include women or face possible sanctions.": How could the government face pressure from sport? Maybe sports governing bodies, or the sporting press?
• IOC or I.O.C.?

• There are still both instances in the article. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Ooops. Removed one of the I.O.C. references. The other is in a quote and cannot be changed. --LauraHale (talk) 00:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• "She also stated that although she was not accustomed to fighting in such large tournaments": Not surprising if this was her first tournament! I think something needs clearing up there.
  • Fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Not really. It still carries this "quote", but says earlier in the article that it was her first competition. This is a contradiction, and maybe worth just cutting that section of the paraphrase. Also, the rather chatty nature of the "Still,..." does not quite work. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

* Poked User:Wrad to address as my Arabic is Google Translate. --LauraHale (talk) 01:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• "She also stated that although she was not accustomed to fighting in such large tournaments, and the debate over the hijab had made it difficult to focus on the competition, she was happy to have participated, and planned to continue to practice judo in the future.": Long sentence, perhaps it could be split?
  • Fixed. --LauraHale (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changes didn't match up with what she actually said in Arabic. I will try to shorten the sentences with the original meaning in mind. Wrad (talk) 01:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok, fixed. Wrad (talk) 01:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Not too sure that this is fixed: see above. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

* Poked User:Wrad for this. --LauraHale (talk) 01:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't see the problem, here. What is the contradiction, and how is "Still" chatty? Wrad (talk) 01:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Despite my confusion, I made some changes. Hopefully this helps. Wrad (talk) 01:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Maybe specify that the men's team faced expulsion if women had not been allowed to compete?
  • Sources I've checked appear to imply this but doesn't actually go that far. It makes me hesitant to want to include it. --LauraHale (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• No problem. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Not essential for GA, but maybe a little more background in the article on women in Saudi sport? I think there is enough there to meet the GA criteria, but a little more information for context could only be a good thing.
  • This is one of those goofy things. There isn't much about her as a person in the article, and a lot of this is background on challenges to her competing (and to a larger degree, all sportwomen in Saudi Arabia). Hence there was a lot in Saudi Arabia women's national football team. I kind of feel like there is a rather large chunk already devoted to this topic in the article and adding more doesn't help. (And checking sources, I'm not seeing any additional information that isn't in this same theme of not about her, but about Saudi Arabian sportwomen in general.) Completely torn because I know at least once, this was stripped from the article as not being relevant, and the Saudi football team was nominated for deletion for similar reasons. --LauraHale (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Not a problem either way, I'll leave it up to you. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Possibly more could be added on the fight. She was obviously outclassed, but given that it only lasted 82 seconds, I would expect some mention of how the event unfolded in this article.

• Added more information. The official match results don't provide much of an idea of what happened, and no one really appears to have reported on the individual match. (And having been inside the judo hall during the Paralympics, I'm not that surprised.) --LauraHale (talk) 01:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• There are actually videos of the match on youtube. You have to search for them in Arabic, though: [17] [18][19][20], etc. Wrad (talk) 02:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Spot-checks reveal no problems. One or two refs refer to things which might/are going to happen, while the article states that they did, but I think everything is fine.

• This should be fixed I think? --LauraHale (talk) 01:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Images, links and dablinks all check out.

I will place the article on hold to allow these issues to be addressed. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly there, just a couple of replies and a few comments left to address one way or another. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, ready to pass now. Just a couple of points:

• I changed the 0:82 seconds back to 82 seconds as 0:82 seconds looks like it is less that one second (should it be 1:22 minutes?). Please revert if I am wrong.
• All other points now seem fine (although I haven't bothered to strike them, consider them struck!)
• Still not entirely convinced about the "such large tournament" thing (why not just "because she was not accustomed to fighting in such large tournaments" as she had never fought in ANY tournaments!), but that is not enough to hold this up any longer.
  • It's a direct quote from her. We need to stick with what she said. Wrad (talk) 15:54, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Passing now. An interesting read. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shaherkani's rank is described as "blue belt". This is not a meaningful rank designation as belt colors below shodan level vary considerably not only from country to country but even by dojo. It would be better to give her rank in terms of kyu level. If she were an American, a "blue belt" would probably mean that she is sankyu, but I don't know what the Saudi belt colors are. Can any Saudi judoists supply this information?Bill (talk) 02:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]