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ITN headline update

Why hasn't it been updated that Israel is retaliating? Brudelman (talk) 11:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The place to suggest changing that headline would be WP:ITNC. SilverLocust 💬 00:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 April 2024

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It was proposed in this section that 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran be renamed and moved to 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan.

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Not moved per consensus seen below. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 09:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan – This is a retaliation to a retaliation, but that article was not named as a retaliation. So the same should apply here, and it would get more confusing if Iran retaliates to this attack. It would be weird to call such article a retaliation to a retaliation to a retaliation, this hasn't been done before. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The name of this article should be changed. The first “actual” retaliatory attack article is titled “2024 Iranian strikes in Israel” without mentioning “retaliatory” word at the title and how come this article can be titled as retaliatory? People will say that Wikipedia is biased to Israel. I don’t think this is a retaliatory attack as Israel provoked Iran first and the “actual” retaliation is done by Iran not Israel. Grabup (talk) 05:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As @Bigfatman8766, said the attack is also targeted Iraq and Syria. I will suppor the alternative name given, “2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria” for now, if anyone came with better name then maybe I support it. Grabup (talk) 06:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As said, this is not the first retaliation and as such should not be biased to be the only retaliation which names such in the title. The title "2024 Israeli strikes in Iran" (or Isfahan) is far more neutral and does not put the blame on Iran for being the igniter of this retaliation chain. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 05:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Now there is confirmation that some hit Iraq and Syria as well. Should the title include these as well? Maybe 2024 Israeli retaliatory strikes in Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria? Although does seem a little too long, is there any other suggestions? Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about 2024 limited Israeli strikes on Iran? I think it sums it up good and blasts the conspiracy theorists? Mujiwins (talk) 15:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for alternative As per Bigfatman8766, the strikes is not only directed at Iran itself. 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria will work best. Yxuibs (talk) 06:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran,Iraq and Syria , that name suits more as strikes were not only in Iran but also Babylon and Baghdad in Iraq and Daraa and Sudais in Syria as well M Waleed (talk) 06:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as "retaliatory" in this article but not for the Iranian drone strikes implies that Iran did it unprovoked, which is false GLORIOUSEXISTENCE (talk) 07:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran,Iraq and Syria pretty much blankets and futureproofs article. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 08:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've went ahead and removed "retaliatory" from the article name, because of the many requests to do so, and because it was clearly inconsistent with the other article name and against NPOV. – Asarlaí ^(talk) 08:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Any Idea if there will be a name to the entire strike? RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 09:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should I move it to 2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria M Waleed (talk) 12:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a consensus doing so already Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 14:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M Waleed, You are not allowed to close this move discussion as you are involved. See WP:RMCI. Grabup (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay M Waleed (talk) 15:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment anything but Isfahan. Kind of implies that they are an independent state. Borgenland (talk) 15:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for alternative What about 2024 limited Israeli strikes on Iran? I think it sums it up good and blasts the conspiracy theorists? Mujiwins (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change to 2024 Israeli airstrikes on Iran or 2024 Natanz airstrike. While this was initially reported as a drone strike. New reports from senior US officials indicate that this was an airstrike, launched by Israeli aircraft that fired missiles from outside Iran.^[1] Ecrusized (talk) 16:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2024 Israeli airstrikes on Iran - is looking more factual and famous. Also it will be good if we see other targets, mentioned above Iraq and Syria. Grabup (talk) 17:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Chaning "Iran" to "Isfahan" in the title is WP:OVERPRECISION. There is only one such 2024 Israeli strike in Iran, so there is no need to specify the exact location. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose change to "2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan", but "2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq and Syria" appears correct with what information is available at the present.--Surv1v4l1st ^{╠Talk║Contribs╣} 22:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article to what it currently is, 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran. It is not confirmed that Israel attacked Iran and Syria, unlike what I thought earlier. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to 2024 Isfahan airstrike, otherwise keep for now Most orthogonal and shortest name. "Israeli" can be in the short description. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 00:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose change to "2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan" and keep it as 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran. Gödel2200 sums it up well - there is no need for such precision. PhilKnight (talk) 15:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose change to "2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan". Keep it as 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran. --Nicola Romani (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Isfahan was not the only hit location. Marokwitz (talk) 19:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The proposal to change the article name to "2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan" is unnecessary and overly precise, given the broader scope of the events covered, which reportedly extend beyond Isfahan to other parts of Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Retaining a broader geographical descriptor in the article title, such as "2024 Israeli strikes in Iran, Iraq, and Syria," would more accurately reflect the distributed nature of these strikes and avoid the undue emphasis on Isfahan. It's essential for the title to reflect the geographic scope and the broader political and military context, ensuring the title remains relevant and accurate as additional information about these events may emerge. FailedMusician (talk) 00:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - there is no need to be so precise (which also has not been done for other recent airstrikes). Hogo-2020 (talk) 05:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stron oppose unsupported by RS and ignores the fact that this was an attack by one state on another regardless of the geographic scope. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Israelis fired 3 missiles in limited strike". ABC News. 19 April 2024. Retrieved 19 April 2024.

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I suggest we make a new article to cover the attack on Iraq's PMU base

This article is for the Israeli strikes on Iran on 19 April, not on Iraq on 20 April. I feel it's more appropriate to report it separately because it's two different countries and there's still no confirmation on who perpetrated the strikes whether the U.S. or Israel.

Also the attack on Iraq has been gaining media traction because an Iraqi PMU soldier was killed and many were injured. RamHez (talk) 07:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source Grabup (talk) 07:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note, the references in the article make no mention that this airstrike was carrier out by Israel. While Israel is the probable suspect, this appears to be original research. Ecrusized (talk) 14:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An earlier version of the Reuters article did mention Israel carried out the attack. I've tried using the Wayback Machine to look at a cached version of it, but only the earliest version seems to be available. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the wording of both mentions of the blast to say "allegedly" and added the CNN article that was mentioned, should no longer qualify as WP:OR. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well another thing that I noticed is that IRI attacked Eilat, they do that often but this time they said it was in response to the attack on Baghdad PMF base M Waleed (talk) 03:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "Requested move 19 April 2024" discussion shouldn't have been archived

It hasn't been seven days yet. David O. Johnson (talk) 20:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Unarchived and changed the auto-archiving settings for this page to be longer than one day.

Facepalm SilverLocust 💬 00:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tabriz attack

As far as I know, an explosion happened in Tabriz but the details are unclear, can someone add with appropriate citations. M Waleed (talk) 04:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[airstrikeABC-1] "Israelis fired 3 missiles in limited strike". ABC News. 19 April 2024. Retrieved 19 April 2024.