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Hi there. There are a couple of cases where Twinkle adds pages to my watchlist where I wouldn't think it very likely that anyone would want to watch the pages in question. Of course, I don't know everyone else's motivations, so maybe these watches are sufficiently useful to some people. In any event, I wind up unwatching them every time, so I thought I'd bring this up. The cases I have in mind are:

1. AFD. Naturally Twinkle is configured to add the new AFD page to my watchlist so I can follow the progress if the discussion I've just initiated. However, it also adds the AFD roll-up for the entire day. I don't see that nominating one article for deletion is an indication of someone's interest in following the events in all deletion articles that happen to come in on the same day.

1. ARV for usernames. The fact that I've submitted one person's name for inspection doesn't mean I have an interest in following all similar cases that have already been submitted. Watching the user talk page for the person in question is sufficient to allow me to see whether he's shows up on the block log and to see whatever message may be left on his user talk page in that event.

—Largo Plazo (talk) 18:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I have a similar problem with user talk pages that get auto-watched. I'd suggest that Twinkle allows people to configure which pages they want to watch by default. Regards SoWhy 18:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

You already can, within limits, but not to the detail that Largoplazo asks for – see WP:TW/DOC#Configuration. It also doesn't work if you have your configuration set to watch all pages you edit by default.
Now that bugzilla:19090 is live since last week or so, I was wanting to review the watchlisting system anyway.
Cheers, Amalthea 18:53, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently, the summary for F9 as placed in the logs by Twinkle reads as follows:

“

Speedy deleted per CSD F9, was a file that was a suspected copyright infringement, and the uploader didn't assert public domain, fair use, or a free license.

”

My problem with the current summary is that for that description, there are other speedy deletion reasons that get used for that. Specifically, that description fits F4 more closely than it does F9. The description for F9 at WP:CSD says, "Images (or other media files) that are claimed by the uploader to be images with free licenses when this is obviously not the case." Thus the uploader has to specify a license and have it be blatantly wrong to qualify for F9. Therefore, I propose the following summary to replace it:

“

Speedy deleted per CSD F9, was a file that was a suspected copyright infringement.

”

Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed. "The uploader didn't assert ... a free license" is clearly inconsistent with "claimed by the uploader to be images with free licenses". JamesBWatson (talk) 10:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
• Hmm, WP:CSD#F9 does say just that though, with "This does not include images used under a claim of fair use, nor does it include images with a credible claim that the owner has released them under a Wikipedia-compatible free license". It's of course not strictly necessary to state this in the log message. If anything, I would change it to something like:Speedy deleted per CSD F9, was a file that was a suspected an obvious copyright infringement.Amalthea 10:52, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Let's say "an unambiguous copyright infringement" in that case. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Alright, Y changed it. Amalthea 21:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be a bother, but I am suggesting the following changes:

• The introduction starts as "Hello and welcome...". The hello is a greeting and should be separated by a comma as the sentence is introduced, as "Hello, and welcome..."
• The template doesn't draw attention. Use of an icon like or may help to draw the attention of the offender (Hmmm, what's this new message?).

Thank you for your consideration. —Mr. E. Sánchez (that's me!)^{What I Do} / _{What I Say} 09:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

• Twinkle only uses this template. You can just add the comma yourself, and should probably discuss the icon at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace, not sure if they have a reason to display it without one. Amalthea 10:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

There's a tag on the template's page asking anyone making changes to inform users here first, but I think it's only intended for edits that actually change the meaning of the template. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Having trouble with page protection: Iconify does not appear to work. I was trying to use it on userpages of socks that I was locking. I am using Firefox on a Mac.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 08:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Can someone explain why Nezzadar is still able to make Twinkle edits[1][2][3] more than 15 hours after I blacklisted them?[4] Hesperian 23:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why they can still use Twinkle, but I'm curious - why was the user blacklisted? The examples you cited seem to be fairly normal uses... SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Biting newbs and assuming bad faith all over the place is normal? Maybe we should ban Twinkle altogether.... Hesperian 05:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

• Well, I saw those links out of context, and it looked normal, but if there was a pattern, I'll take your word for it. Thanks, though. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
• Yeah, and let's ban the Internet while we're at it, cause there's some crazy stuff on it. Amalthea 08:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The ban seems to have stuck now, since he is now over at ANI calling for reinstatement. Hesperian 06:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Hesperian
Javascript files are cached in the client browser, so it takes a while for his browser to request the updated file. There normally isn't much we can do about it (if we don't want to generally increase stress on the server). In this case, there would have been a way to force reloading the script on the client, by creating his monobook.js and adding some stuff in there, but that would have been pretty invasive. If a user continues to make highly inappropriate edits, and doesn't respond to communication, you'll have to escalate it differently. And of course, a knowledgeable user could still get around it pretty easily.
Cheers, Amalthea 08:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Indeed; I can think of two ways to get around it, and one of them would leave no trace here. I am glad to have confirmation that these methods have not been resorted to here. Hesperian 11:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

As of the last 24 hours Wikipedia:Templates for deletion has moved to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. Debresser (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Y Changed in Twinkle, thanks. Amalthea 12:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

You might want to take another look at this. I just tried to use Twinkle to add {{Timeline Dukes of Argyll}} to TfD. It successfully added the TfD tag to the page and notified the creator, but it seems to have hung while attempting to add the entry to the TfD log. I waited and finally completed the nomination manually. Maybe I'm just impatient, but I'm assuming five minutes is longer than it is supposed to take. --RL0919 (talk) 17:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Your browser cache needs to catch up to the changes of course. If we aren't given advance notice here about such changes, then we'll have to live with such glitches in a transitional period. Amalthea 10:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Didn't realize that Twinkle used the cache, but it makes sense. I'll clear out before any further attempts. Thanks. --RL0919 (talk) 13:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

That's your browser's and MediaWiki's default, really. We could get around it and build a page that will be queried more often, but that would of course mean more hits on the WikiMedia servers. Changes here are hardly ever pressing enough to warrant that.
Cheers, Amalthea 14:07, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any problem with un-transcluding the "bugs" page from this talk page (it is more than half the length of the page) and changing it to a {{main}} link? SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Please do. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Seeing no objections, it is done. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of getting this added to the "single issue notices" menu? There's been a lot of users lately not notifying the creators that their pages might be deleted. Thanks! Beeblebrox (talk) 00:58, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure, but could you tweak it so that it has the same signature as other singlenotice templates, i.e. make the article parameter {{{1}}} optional, and accept an optional additional message in parameter {{{2}}}? Could also consider moving it to {{uw-notifysd}} or something. See for example {{Uw-articlesig}}.
Cheers, Amalthea 14:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

me=technically inept, I'm not even sure what it is you're asking for. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

This all came out of a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion, and I've asked if anyone over there could look this over and see if they can do what you ask. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, if nobody here takes care of it till next week I will, it's no big deal, just thought I load off a bit of work to you. :)
Cheers, Amalthea 22:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I've done it. Rd232 ^talk 22:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

YDone, thanks, added it as {{uw-notifysd}}. As always, you may need to bypass your browser cache to see it. Amalthea 22:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, you're awesome! Beeblebrox (talk) 03:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I want to IfD this image with twinkle. (Removed from Party, so it's an orphan.) When I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Myparty2323.jpg, I see a 'di' tab, but no IfD tab. I believe I should see an IfD tab (per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#IfD.2FPUI ) but I don't. --Elvey (talk) 05:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a commons image, you have to suggest deletion there: commons:File:Myparty2323.jpg. Amalthea 07:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. (Dodo got to it first.) --Elvey (talk) 01:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, could we add {{Userspace draft suggestion}} to Twinkle's "Single-issue notices" please? Rd232 ^talk 13:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

YDone. Amalthea 13:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

thanks! Rd232 ^talk 13:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I just nominated a CSD candidate for AFD via Twinkle, and expected the CSD tag to be removed automatically - but no. Can this be arranged? Rd232 ^talk 12:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

is it worthwhile to automate details like that? The exact tags to be removed will vary. DGG ( talk ) 16:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Most should be caught by (db-\w*|delete|hangon|dated prod|prod2|New unreviewed article) though, and I was thinking about making it request confirmation: Sometimes an editor may want to leave the SD or PROD templates on. Amalthea 16:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

There is no legitimate reason to leave a prod tag. The existence of an AfD discussion always overrides proposed deletion. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed that there is no correct reason to leave a PROD tag. Initiating an AFD cancels out the PROD tag. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, could you add {{Uw-promotionalarticle}} to the "Single-issue notices" menu? Thanks. I created it because {{uw-advert1}} doesn't seem to quite fit the creation of promotional articles. Rd232 ^talk 10:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I think rather than diluting the warning process with a new similarly-worded template, it would be better to discuss rewording the earlier template. So I would skip on adding the new template to Twinkle, but the concern is valid. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a substantially different purpose and wording, but OK, I've asked at WT:UTM, so let's see what comments we get (if any). Rd232 ^talk 13:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I hear how useful Twinkle is but have never used it because I have Internet Explorer for my browser. The use of a different browser for me is not an option due to who maintains my computer. It says on the main page that Twinkle is not actively supported. So here's my question, does this mean I can't/shouldn't use it? Sorry if this has been asked and answered in the past. Thanks in advance,--CrohnieGal^Talk 11:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe the gadget is not compatible with IE. I had the same issue until I installed Safari. You can install it on the apple page if you are using Windows and will be an alternative to Internet Explorer. This does not necessarily mean that Safari will become your default user, but you can use it whenever you need Twinkle. ZooFari 15:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The RFC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/userfication is substantially about Twinkle, so I post a notification of it here. This was recently discussed here, and that discussion has very much been taken on board in designing the RFC, so please do comment there! If the RFC seems confusing (I haven't had any comments in 3 days, I'm a bit concerned...), please comment on the talk page. Thanks. Rd232 ^talk 12:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi I emptied my brower's cache recently. Now, twinkle seems to freeze after it says "data loaded" and the warning never posts. Help please! thnks. A8UDI 03:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Read the thread immediately above us. It's not you, it's Wikipedia and Twinkle disagreeing on page format. They're deploying a fix, be patient. --ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 03:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Fix appears to be deployed, clear your cache and give it another shot. --ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 03:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

YAY it's working. sorry for that! I appreciate the help anyways! A8UDI 03:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I've slightly reworded the deletion log summaries for copyvios. "Blatant" is now uniformly "unambiguous". The dialog box says "unambiguous", and was surprised to see that the summary still says "blatant". My rationale is that "blatant" carries an inherent bad-faith assumption, whereas "unambiguous" carries no inherent faith assumption, and leaves room to think that the violator might have had no clue. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I have enabled twinkle in my preference and added it to my monobook, I can mark my own edits as vandalism and roll them back, that's everything that I can do with Twinkle atm, I have so far been unable to use the CSD tab because I cannot find where it is.

Please post the answer to my problem in my talk page

Taqi Haider (talk) 18:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You only need to do it in one place. If it's enabled in "my preferences->Gadgets", you don't need it in monobook (and for all I know it could interfere). Remove it from monobook, and once it is saved, do a forced reload (hold Shift and click reload, or use your favorite reload hot key). Cached support pages may be preventing it from working. If it works, the CSD and other functions should appear as tabs at the top of the page, to the right of the default tabs for the article, talk, edit and history. —ShadowRanger ^(talk|stalk) 18:26, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle no longer seems to be working as expected. Particularly, all the "A" criteria for speedy deletion have disappeared. Did I do something wrong on this end? Tim Ross (talk) 12:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I still get all the "A" criteria, so I think you must have made some mistake. Did you try to use it on a page which was not an article? If so you won't get the "A" criteria, quite correctly. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You're probably right. It seems to be working fine now. Thanks. Tim Ross (talk) 15:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Every time I CSD a file, when it notifies the uploader, it doubles the "File" prefix in the name of the file. So in the context of the message, it'll do "Thanks for uploading File:File:Example image.jpg." It does this in the section title, also. See an example here. Thanks! ς ح д r خ є 03:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I already filed a bug report and I think another user posted the same concern too. It's been awhile now and no one seems to be taking action. I'd fix it myself but the scripts are protected. ZooFari 03:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I'm hoping I can do more focused work on Twinkle in December. In the meantime, patches are certainly always welcome. :)
Amalthea 22:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

The better fix here is to change {{di-orphaned fair use-notice}}, IMO. Tim Song (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems that the notice templates for F4, F5, F6 and F11 automatically prepends a File:, while the others do not. Tim Song (talk) 08:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, most people have been using di. ZooFari^{Thank you Wikipedia!} 15:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I can write a patch - it's fairly easy, or we can change the di-series of templates to comform to the db-series. Which one do you think is better? Tim Song (talk) 04:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I've made the template more robust so that it now accepts all of:

Example.svg -> "File:Example.svg"

File:Example.svg -> "File:Example.svg"

:File:Example.svg -> "File:Example.svg"

Amalthea 13:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

See:[5]. Twinkle seems to have blanked the page while adding the CSD tag, which normally only happens with attack pages. Anyone else seen this? Beeblebrox (talk) 00:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It worked well for me [6]. ZooFari 01:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing that this is that long known bug where Twinkle gets outdated information from the server: In this case, it was tagged 30 seconds after creation, that's I believe in the margin we've seen before. :|
Amalthea 22:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent Twinkle from opening the edit screen on a user talk page after that user has been reverted? This is unnecessary for me at least; when it would just open the page, I can also use the "warn" button. Ucucha 22:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Would require a change to Twinkle. Is it only unnecessary or actually undesirable, and if the latter, why? It's showing a preview of the page anyway, so I'd think you get the best of both with very little additional cost. Amalthea 00:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that Firefox pops up a box to ask me to confirm that I want to navigate away from the page after I have Twinkle add a warning message, as it thinks I entered information into the box. That's an additional, and unnecessary, click. Ucucha 00:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

If I understand the issue correctly, I believe you can stop it by blocking pop-up windows. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem is not the pop-up itself, the problem is that it opens the edit screen in the pop-up. The pop-up itself is fine. Ucucha 19:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Can the size of the pop up box for the list of CSD options be expanded so the I don't have to scroll down to the lower ones? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - —Preceding undated comment added 05:46, 26 October 2009.

I've added such an option and taken the liberty to change your monobook.js in that regard (not sure if you're still watching here). You might have to WP:BYPASS your browser cache to see any effect. Amalthea 23:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I am missing something, but when I click on CSD, and the list of selectable options appears in a popup window, I can select an option, but nothing else. That is, I see the options, I can select one, but the only thing I can do after that is close the window. There is no Apply button or otherwise. Ccrashh (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

That's the way it's supposed to work. You click the radio button, and TW immediately springs into action, and tags the article (for non-admins) or deletes the article (for admins) without any further assistance from the user. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, should have continued. I click the radio button, and TW does not spring into action. It just sits there. Ccrashh (talk) 02:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you have a look into your javascript error console and see if there's anything Twinkle-related? Amalthea 23:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Can I use this with other wiki, Vietnamese Wikipedia?--Lê _{talk-contributions} 04:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can make out this is not available for other Wikipedias, but I do not know specifically about Vietnamese Wikipedia. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't know if it's available either. If it isn't you'll have to ask someone over there to port and adapted it to any vi-wiki specific standards and practices. Amalthea 23:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I am doing my nightly new page patrolling and trying to take a page as vandalism. The popup comes up and it says "Tagging page: data loaded...", but it doesn't go from there. I have reloaded and tried again, but it's still stuck. This is happening on every CSD I try. Help? Basket of Puppies 01:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Can't help, but the same is happening to me. Declan Clam (talk) 01:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ditto - posting to village pump.  7  02:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I just hope I didn't break TW. Basket of Puppies 02:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure you're in the clear. :-) I'm getting that result attempting to warn users, and a server connection error of some sort while trying to use the rollback facilities on the article itself (I'm making do with undo, rollback, and manual warning templates but it's a hassle). --ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 02:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm having issues too. Old fashioned way CSD until this is fixed, I guess...--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 02:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yep, same thing is happening to me, geez now I've got to go and read all the templates again, it has been so long since I've done this the old-fashioned way. -MBK₀₀₄ 02:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

XML parsing error when trying to post. I'm not sure why yet. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The reason is simple "< logmsgbot> !log tstarling synchronized php-1.5/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php 'Enabling $wgHtml5'", Wikipedia is no longer supposed to be valid XHTML. Twinkle is non-functional until someone rewrites it to either not use XML, or to use the API. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. This means Friendly is dead too. So much for WP:NEWT. tedder (talk) 02:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

@TheDJ - that's simple? :P  7  02:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

@TheDJ, them's be fightin' words! Would you like to take this outside? In reality, I have no idea what that means! LOL! Basket of Puppies 03:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, it's even more technical :D Apparently, the html5 Wikipedia serves, should still be valid xml. Thus the routines used by Twinkle should still work. After a debug session with User:Simetrical, we figured out that the XML that was being served was actually NOT valid XML, because it used <!doctype html> instead of <!DOCTYPE html>. A fix is being committed as we speak. That fix will need to be deployed of course, so it might take a while before Twinkle hopefully will be repaired. If this fix is deployed, it will likely be noted on the admin log. Hopefully Twinkle should start working after that, if it doesn't, someone else will have to continue debugging, because I need to sleep :D —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 03:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - that will be a welcome relief to my brackets {} keys...  7  03:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

HTML 5 output has been temporarily disabled again, because the fix did not fix the problem. Simetrical is now talking to the webstandard guys to figure out what is going on, and if it is supposed to happen. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 03:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Just started working again for me. Good show! --ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 03:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, well done to whoever sorted that out. Declan Clam (talk) 04:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

For the ones interested in where this is going:

• http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8268
• http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-November/024060.html

Looks like no real solution to be valid XML and HTML5, without using the XHTML doctype (would generate a html5 warning). This will require further discussion, but it is a good argument to rewrite twinkle to use the edit api. I several options for mediawiki:

• Break twinkle (should be using edit API)
• serve borderline valid html5 by using xhtml doctype
• add a responsexml=yes option that will trigger using the xhtml DOCTYPE for that specific request only.

Don't you just love it that Wikipedia is such a complicated ecosystem ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

No.
Oh, and it's not just breaking Twinkle because it isn't using the API, it's also because it uses xpath to analyze and ultimately modify the page the user is seeing (e.g. in twinklefluff.js). It will always have to work with the HTML output there, but needs to be rewritten to use e.g. jquery. Amalthea 23:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I have been made aware that by default Twinkle is set up to generate a welcome message when leaving a CSD warning on a new user talkpage. Since CSD nominations are often directly tied in to username violations (where self-promotion is going on) this is resulting in scenarios where a user is welcomed, warned, reported to UAA and blocked, sometimes within a 5 minute period. I don't think this "Welcome to Wikipedia, you've been blocked" sequence of events is really the right message we are sending to users. Is it possible to either disable this behavior, or perhaps modify it to an opt-in (disabled by default) setting rather than an opt-out (enabled by default) behavior? Shereth 19:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I've answered at WT:UAA#Welcome messages where this discussion started since it's not really a Twinkle feature, even though Twinkle allows opting out of it. Sorry that it took me so long to get back. :|
Cheers, Amalthea 23:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't prodding a page mark it as patrolled? It doesn't currently seem to, although speedying a page does seem to mark it as patrolled. Is there any reason for the difference, and if not, can it be fixed so that pages get marked as patrolled? Thanks. --Bfigura ^(talk) 04:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right, and there's no reason that I can think of, no. Amalthea 23:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The {{uw-vandalism1}} template goes out of its way to assume good faith, and carefully avoids using the word vandalism. I think that Twinkle's edit summary should do the same. It currently says "General note: Vandalism". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Eh... I think it's okay to leave the "General note: Vandalism" message alone. The template is titled for vandalism, and while the template is all like, "Naughty, naughty!" in a sweet-sounding voice, it's okay to be more direct in the summary, if nothing else than for consistency with the rest of the warning set.

Of course, my personal opinion is that the level-one warnings need to be done away with entirely, as they're practically worthless. I start the miscreants on a level two, which treats them like an adult from the get-go and calls vandalism when it sees it. But that's not really something for this venue... SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

That's something I completely disagree with. I regularly encounter (and revert) IP editors that make contributions that don't improve a page, but that nevertheless look like they may have been in good faith. In that case, I like it a lot that we have a template (uw-vandalism1) that allows us to tell them that their edit was not appropriate, but that we encourage them to behave responsibly in the future. WP:BITE is an important policy.

I agree with the change Mandarax proposes. It might be inconsistent with other edit summaries Twinkle uses, but I think it's much preferable to be a little inconsistent than to potentially bite productive editors away by calling them vandals. Ucucha 03:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

(ec) I agree with both of you (I think). To Schumin's point - it's fine to keep the word vandalism in there for consistency. Most newbies don't notice an edit summary until they've been around for a while. Plus, it is important for future patrollers to know what warnings have taken place. However, per Mandarax's point - I think the edit summary could be softened a bit like "General note: What appears to be vandalism on ..."  7  04:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

You know, I've given it a bit more thought, and think I've found a good reason not to change the wording. We essentially have two sets of vandalism warning templates. We have the uw-vandalism set that is for people who are obviously vandalizing, but then we also have the uw-test set that is for test edits. At least the way I see it, assuming good faith is that they aren't intending to vandalize, but that they're test-editing when they put something nonsensical in an article. Thus if I'm assuming the person meant well in their nonsensical edit or don't want to smack 'em with a vandalism warning, I give them a warning out of the uw-test set. Now if the miscreant continues, they may later get a warning out of the vandalism set, but the assume-good-faith warning set for vandalism is the uw-test set. If one is using the vandalism warning set, we've already thrown good faith out the window. So it's okay to say "vandalism" in the uw-vandalism1 warning, because we've already assumed they're screwing around with Wikipedia just for the lulz and not just testing the tools in the wrong place. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

That assumes that everyone is perfect in choosing between the templates. A lot of people receive warnings they don't deserve either because the warner doesn't really understand the definition of vandalism or because the warner misunderstood the edit in question. What's more, the level one warning says "it appears" this was unconstructive; thus, even where the template is being used correctly, there is room to doubt the edit was meant to be disruptive. That's why, where it is absolutely clear the person is just being an ass, a jump to level two is justified. In any event, the word "vandalism" serves to stir up unnecessary emotion. Simply not using the word in the automatically generated edit summary would be a good way to avoid unnecessarily hurt feelings. -Rrius (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I've just installed Twinkle and whatever I do it seems to get stuck at the "data loaded" stage. I've tried with both firefox and google chrome, and cleared the cache with both of them. Polarpanda (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Please have a look into Firefox's javascript console and paste any Twinkle related javascript errors you find there. Amalthea 00:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Does the change still show up in your contributions despite the on-screen narration not finishing itself? I wrote about that a few years back, and AzaToth or Ioeth (can't remember which one) said it was something to do with morebits.js and was an ignorable. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it wasn't a few years back, it was earlier this year. See Wikipedia talk:Friendly/Archive 3#Friendly not displaying "complete" when welcoming for the discussion. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Does it work with IE8 browser?--Microcell (talk) 16:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

No. Amalthea 00:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Why not? IE is the most used browser on earth. Colincbn (talk) 15:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

For one thing, IE's javascript library apparently lacks some functions that Twinkle uses. Tim Song (talk) 15:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, that would be a good reason. I wonder if there is a way to force IE to use them? I know you can force JavaScript 1.6 compatability in your preferences, would some deeper tweeks to IE help it work? Colincbn (talk) 03:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

For another, it's a pain to develop and debug javascript on IE to actually figure out what's breaking/missing. If I'd develop a Twinkle successor from scratch I might try and keep compatibility in mind, but as it is I don't think my time would be spent efficiently trying to make Twinkle compatible as it is.
As far as I know, Twinkle is working decently well in Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Safari. I know it's getting old for people using IE, but they should consider it as an incentive to switch to a (more) standards compliant browser. Amalthea 00:11, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Which function of twinkle do you want to use, though? Tim Song (talk) 00:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Is it really necessary for Twinkle to give notice of an XfD when a user is both nominator for deletion and creator of the thing to be deleted? -Rrius (talk) 09:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

You can disable notification fairly easily. Tim Song (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Does it only notify the creator, or does it also notify editors with many edits to the thing proposed for deletion? The principal reason I've never unchecked it is that I don't want to deprive others of notice. -Rrius (talk) 19:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Only the creator. Tim Song (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd hate to disable this, it's incredibly useful for testing. I guess the people nominating their own articles for deletion will just have to remember unchecking "notify creator". Amalthea 00:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Is there any way to get Twinkle to automatically watch deletion discussion pages it creates? Thanks. ^Bongo_matic 22:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There's actually a tick-box under "Watchlist" in your preferences that will automatically watch any pages you create - perhaps that will do it for you? SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. However, I don't want to watch random talk pages that Twinkle creates when notifying users with no pre-existing one. ^Bongo_matic 23:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Would require a change to Twinkle's code. Tim Song (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I know nothing about javascript, but it appears that in the discussionPage code blocks in twinklexfd.js, there's code that states

'wpWatchthis': form.wpWatchthis.checked ? '<nowkiki/>' : undefined,

which looks like something that could possibly be changed to generate the desired functionality. Anyone? ^Bongo_matic 17:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

You need to introduce a new configuration variable to TwinkleConfig (say, TwinkleConfig.watchXfDPages). Then change that line to

'wpWatchthis': (form.wpWatchthis.checked || TwinkleConfig.watchXfDPages) ? '' : undefined,

Tim Song (talk) 17:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Luckily, the page is protected, so this "you" doesn't have the ability to screw it up! ^Bongo_matic 17:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

You can always make a fork in your userspace, you know... Tim Song (talk) 17:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Bongomatic, you can now configure TwinkleConfig.xfdWatchDiscussion = "yes" in your skin script. Merry Christmas, Amalthea 00:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Currently, when speedy-deleting categories, the C1 option appears at the bottom of the list, below the general criteria and redirects. Can this be changed so that C1 appears in between the general criteria and the redirects? SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Same thing appears to be the case with templates - the redirect speedies appear above the template-specific speedies. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

And User pages, and Portals, and their respective talk pages, ... but no more!
Y, Amalthea 22:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks much! SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Given that imo IPs should not be blocked indefinitely (legal threat or otherwise)... I usually put 3 months. –xeno^talk 00:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I would agree, but for different reasons. Wikipedia:No legal threats doesn't specifically prescribe an indefinite block, even if indefinite is the standard treatment. Thus allowing for discretion in the template is a good thing... SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#"Deletable category" process? for discussion on a proposal that I made regarding C1 speedy deletion nominees. This would impact Twinkle if accepted. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Can i use this at my own wiki? (It uses Mediawiki). The url is AliceWiki.co.cc Kind Regards, HiddenKnowledge (talk) 21:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

If I recall, this has come up before, and usually the answer has been no. Not because you aren't allowed but because it won't work. You could try importing it and see what happens... Beeblebrox (talk) 19:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

UAA patrollers could get a lot of use out of Template:Uw-coi-username, which I was unaware of until it was brought up just now at Wikipedia talk:Username policy. This is a very common situation, and often the user is only informed about the username issue, and the more important problem of having a COI gets lost in the shuffle. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Should be fairly straightforward. Tim Song (talk) 19:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I've just proposed some changes at Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism#policy out of step with practice? Although I'm sure it will take a bit to actually implement, I'm wondering if the technical possibility exists for Twinkle to open a slightly different set of warnings depending on whether the user is an ip or a registered user. The idea is that we know in the case of a registered account that the vandalism is being done by the same person every time, so fewer, and possibly harsher, warnings may be in order. Seems like Twinkle already knows the difference since it often adds the "shared ip notice" as part of its actions. No hurry on this one as it's purely hypothetical at this point, I'm just curious if it can even be done. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Definitely doable, since it basically involves writing a regex that parses the page name. Tim Song (talk) 19:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any sort of solid consensus emerging from that discussion, so this can go back on the shelf for now. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to propose a change in the order to the sections on the CSD menu. Presently, for all the namespaces except File, the sections are like this:

• General
• Namespace-specific
• Redirect

For File, they're like this:

• File (i.e. namespace-specific)
• General
• Redirect

I would propose that all the namespaces be sorted like the File namespace's CSD menu. What do others think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Why does it matter? JamesBWatson (talk) 15:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Consistency never hurts. Amalthea 16:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Consistency, plus putting the namespace-specific stuff at the top eliminates having to scroll past the long general list to reach it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, good point. I support that. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

So it sounds like this is a "go"? SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

No objections, so Y Done. Amalthea 10:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I have just tried to PROD The Morning Chef using Twinkle. I clicked the PROD tab and filled in the rationale as usual, but rather than adding the dated PROD banner, the edit resulted in an SUBST template that was not executed. I'm not sure if this is a problem with {{prod}} or with Twinkle (or just user error on my part). Cnilep (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

It was the missing ] after [[WP:Spam|advertises] that confused the MediaWiki parser. The same thing would have happened if you had tried to add the template manually. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

User error it is. Thanks for clearing that up. Cnilep (talk) 21:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Over the last two or three days, I've been unable to use the Twinkle rollback feature; this has never happened before. When I click rollback, the edit summary prompt appears, and then when I click OK, the popup for the user I am reverting pops up. However, the page then gets stuck at the following:

Grabbing data of earlier revisions: revision 332730297 that was made 1 revisions ago by Alex 101
Reverting page: data loaded...
Info: Opening user talk page edit form for user 98.113.68.150

... and the edit is never made. I am using Firefox 3.5.6 on Windows 7, and I don't recall updating or changing anything in the past few days. If anyone could help, that'd be great. Thanks. Timmeh 20:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

• Check your Firefox error console and post any twinkle-related errors. It's impossible to tell what's going on otherwise. Tim Song (talk) 20:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
• You've used Twinkle revert successfully both here and here yesterday. Amalthea 21:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  I don't see any Twinkle-related errors in my error console. Amalthea, indeed I did. I had to wait several minutes after the above text appeared and then navigate away from the page for the edit to work, with the "reverting completed" line never showing up, and that only worked two or three times, sporadically. However, today it's not working at all. Now it seems I'm unable to edit in the article namespace at all today; every time I try to edit an article, the status says "waiting for en.wikipedia.org" until it times out. However, I can make comments here without a problem. I'm thinking it may be a problem with my internet connection overall and not Twinkle or Wikipedia, although I don't see how that would affect article editing but not talk page editing. Timmeh 21:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  Sounds like it's all based on connection troubles, I agree. I don't see that it could possibly make a difference between subjectspace or talkspace, although it's possible that some scripts are only loaded in one and not the other. That's not really something I can help you with here, though. If you have no issues browsing the web otherwise and it's only occurring with Wikipedia you should try WP:VPT, but I'm unsure if anyone there can read more from it. Amalthea 22:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  There are a couple of related messages there already. Amalthea 22:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  Thanks for the advice. If I'm still having the problem tomorrow, I'll take it to WP:VPT. Timmeh 23:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  Hmm. Both twinkle and regular editing seem to have started working again, albeit with very slow loading times. I'll see what tomorrow brings. Thanks again for the help, Amalthea. Timmeh 23:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if my issue is related but I can't use rollback on some pages, such as Hannah Montana (season 3). Everything is fine most of the time but there are a few pages where I have to revert using more primitive means. Ironically, the Hannah Montana pages are the place where I really need the rollback fuction. I should point out that my normal rollback privilege works OK. I tried a rollback using my alternate account (User:AussieLegend2) and it failed too. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Appears to be an unrelated error caused by a mismatched <span> tag in {{future episodes editnotice}}. This messed up the HTML for the edit page. Fixed. Timotheus Canens (talk) 11:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, it does that, system messages (and among them editnotices) aren't tidied, so both invalid HTML and even some supposedly valid MediaWiki code will lead to invalid XHTML, which Twinkle can't handle. Amalthea 21:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I hope I'm not too far behind the action here: thanks for the improvements to the page protection requests script. --Old Moonraker (talk) 17:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I have tried to use page protection today and yesterday but it failed on bot occasions saying it cant find target it this a bug? Has anyone else had this problem? BigDunc 13:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Without a more precise error description I can't help you. It's not broken per se, lot's of RFPP are still posted via Twinke. Amalthea 21:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sometime in the last hour or 2, Twinkle has stopped working for me. All of the tabs for Twinkle's features are not even showing up for me. I have not unchecked the box in My Preferences, and I am not on the Twinkle blacklist. I was using Twinkle as recently as 1 hour ago (it's 8:18PM here, I last used it at 7:17PM). I don't know if it's just me or Twinkle is having problems for everyone, but I would like it to start working again ASAP as it made it a lot easier to deal with vandalism (both reverting it and warning the user). TJ Spyke 01:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Works for me. Can you try bypassing your browser cache and check again? If it still doesn't work,wWhat browser and skin are you using, and what error messages are you getting in your browser's javascript console? Amalthea 11:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

When I logged on this morning it was working. I don't know why it wasn't last night. TJ Spyke 21:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright, could have been lots of things. Next time, try bypassing your cache right away and, if that doesn't help, look for errors in the javascript console and post them here. Amalthea 21:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

In the event of finding someone mis-using Twinkle, like bad tagging for speedy deletion and incorrect warnings as a result, where should one report the user? I see on the main page that I (as an admin) have the power to remove a user's rights to Twinkle. However, as I am not a Twinkle User, I do not know anything about the use, and what the editor would see on their screen. It may be that it is just an accidental click of the wrong box and the wrong messages gets posted.

The reason I ask this is because I have not long warned a user about bad tagging, and cautioned them that they may lose the right to use Twinkle if it carries on. All being well, this user will not need any further cautions and no action will need to be taken. But in the event I ever find a user (not necessarily this one; I may find someone else messing around) who has abused the tool, I would rather an experienced twinkle user who is an admin revokes the rights. I can't see anything on the main page about where to report these users, so where should one report them? Stephen! ^Coming... 14:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

My guess would be the catchall board—WP:ANI. I've seen a couple reports of Twinkle misuse go there. Tim Song (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, it's easier just to block 'em for disruption. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Cheers all; I think I will probably report misdemeanours to ANI, in case there is some subtlety of Twinkle that a user would recognise that I wouldn't. Stephen! ^Coming... 15:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Although I leave "orphan backlinks" checked, it is still unlinking them when I delete a page. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

If "orphan backlinks" is checked, then all links leading to the page being deleted are unlinked. Sounds like the correct behavior, even if the name "orphan backlinks" is a bit unintuitive. :)
If you don't want them unlinked, uncheck the checkbox.
Cheers, Amalthea 23:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Well then I recommend the wording be changed to something like "unlink backlinks", because orphan literally means to leave alone. MrKIA11 (talk) 01:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

YDone, thanks! Amalthea 01:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Since IE is used by many users is it possible to get this gadget working for them? I hear this is a useful tool to use especially for patrol work for vandalism. I would love to be able to use this but it doesn't say it can be used for IE. If I were to install this function, would I be messing things up? I am not computer savy so I would like to know if this is or ever will become an option for me. Is there a different tool that is in my preferences that would do similar work as this one? Thanks in advance, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

No, TW does not support IE, and given IE's abysmally non-standard JS library, is unlikely to do that in the foreseeable future. Sorry. For rc patrol you can use Huggle, for NPP Kissle, I suppose, but those are standalone tools. Maybe Igloo? Tim Song (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I appreciate. I didn't think so but I figured it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks again, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I use Twinkle for requesting speedy deletion. When IPs create talk pages with vandalism, Twinkle puts a welcome note on the IPs' user talk pages when it is requesting deletion if no other messages are posted on the user talk page. In this note, the Article wizard is mentioned, and it cannot be used by IPs. The note apparently assumes the IP is a "registered user" and able to create articles. This might or might not cause confusion, but I think it would be fine to get Twinkle posting messages that suit the user's creation permissions. Iceblock (talk) 13:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

We should really merge the article wizard and AFC... Tim Song (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is Twinkle not working in my vector.js? I cleared the cache too. CTJF83 chat 20:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, it's in the drop down arrow instead of how it is in the monobook form. CTJF83 chat 21:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

When I AfD an article, the notice on the article's page has a red link to the AfD discussion, even though clicking on it does link to the AfD. CTJF83 GoUSA 08:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

You need to purge the cache. Tim Song (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, is there an auto purge feature that can be developed? CTJF83 chat 21:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I just tagged a page with {{prod}} using the default configuration of Twinkle, and it marked both the main edit and the warning message on the main contributor's page as minor. WP:PROD specifically asks not to do that. Unless it was some kind of a glitch or an error on my part, I request the default configuration to be adjusted to mark PROD nominations and their corresponding user notifications as major. Thanks. — Rankiri (talk) 14:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Did you change one of the configurations so that it marks those as minor? CTJF83 GoUSA 18:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

• I just enabled Twinkle from Gadgets without touching anything. Are you saying it's not its normal behavior? — Rankiri (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I doesn't mark any thing for me. Perhaps try installing it the normal way, and not through gadgets? CTJF83 GoUSA 04:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

It may be because you have the "Mark all edits as minor by default" option ticked under the "Editing" tab of your preferences. Please check and let me know. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

• I don't, but thanks for your feedback. If the problem doesn't affect anybody else, it's not that big of a problem. I'll just reinstall the code manually. — Rankiri (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

• In case anyone else encounters this, the problem disappeared when I reinstalled the script manually. — Rankiri (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I normally use the cologne blue skin but have to switch to monobook to use twinkle. Is there a way to fix this. username 1 (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, and have never tested it. You could try to turn on the monobook compatibility gadget in your preferences, although that was built for the Modern skin. Amalthea 11:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I am from Bengali wikipedia I add this my user:Jayantanth/monobook.js page following script

document.write('<script type="text/javascript"' +
'src="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/twinkle.js' +
'&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

But twinkle tab is not coming for me. - Jayanta Nath ^{(Talk|Contrb)} 19:48, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Seeing this multiposted at five different places makes me far less inclined to go and investigate issues found when using this highly enwiki affine script on another wikipedia language version. Amalthea 10:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. Could whoever maintains Twinkle or knows how to update it properly please comment at Wikipedia talk:Sticky Prod workshop#TW, detailing anything you would like the community to do to help you incorporate the "sticky prod" into the prod process? I don't know if this is feasible, but I think one way to incorporate the new prod into Twinkle would be adding a checkbox to the the screen that pops up when you click on the prod tab. Clicking the checkbox would have Twinkle use {{dated prod blp}} instead of {{prod}}. NW (Talk) 19:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, new Twinkle user here. I have installed Twinkle, but how do I know it is active? How do I test it? The docs page has lots of hints to troubleshoot it, but says nothing about knowing if it is active. Now that I have installed twinkle, how do I test this tool? How can I tell if it is active? I don't mind posting this information into the docs page. Thanks. // // Mark Renier (talk) 08:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

• Hmm? If you can access any of the functionality Twinkle offers, then it's active. If not, then not. Per the doc, you're supposed to find WP:TW/DOC#Article tabs, WP:TW/DOC#User tabs, tabs in WP:TW/DOC#Image namespace, and WP:TW/DOC#Additional links. Amalthea 08:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I had the same question when I started using this program - even after reading the article several times, I was not picking up on how Twinkle would do what it was supposed to do. I was even more confused because I am using the Modern skin (my preferences -> appearance-> change the default), and anyone using that has an extra step to make Twinkle functional.

When Twinkle is functional, you will see extra options in your list of page functions. I am talking about the list that says "article, discussion, edit, etc..." As a new user, I personally use Twinkle mostly to revert vandalism that was just made, so of the new options granted, the "last" option is most helpful to me. It automatically reverts the last edit on an article and allows you to put a message on the talk page of the person who made it. Blue Rasberry 19:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What are "backlinks" and what does unlinking them do? Captain Infinity (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

"Backlinks" are links from other pages to a given page. Unlinking them does precisely that - delinks the terms linking to that given page. This is often necessary after speedy deletion to prevent a page on a non-notable, vandalism, or other problematic topic from being recreated. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

And it generally prevents a bunch of redlinks from showing up all over the place when you delete an article. Depending on the article being deleted, you may or may not want to unlink backlinks. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 18:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I added this description to the docs. UncleDouggie (talk) 04:20, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool beans. (I think the documentation probably wouldn't hurt from a complete rewrite, but... =) ) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

So... how/why does the list of links given by the "unlink" function differ from the list of links in What links here? I've been scratching my head trying to figure this out and haven't gotten anywhere... Joren (talk) 07:50, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I noticed an extra tab (Traverse) when viewing a category page - could someone update the doc to say what it does?  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, I've once written a very brief description at WT:Twinkle/Archive 16#Traverse?. Amalthea 10:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Might be useful...  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

If a user has installed twinkle as a gadget, nothing shows up on the .js page. Is there any way an admin can see if it has been installed? DGG ( talk ) 15:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Only indirectly, through usage. It could be reworked to leave some unmistakable mark (like a configuration file in user space), but any user with at least some programming experience could of course always modify scripts to be nigh undetectable. Do you have a particular user in mind?
Cheers, Amalthea 10:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it okay to copy over the Twinkle source code to my wiki? Jeremjay24 15:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, Wikipedia user scripts are also available under the GFDL and CC-BY-SA-3.0, and so you should be good to go. You may, however, run into some compatibility problems, though, which other users more experienced in the technical side of things than I am can probably explain better than I could. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

the check box that says "Evidently a vandalism-only account" I, for some reason, cannot check it. its greyed out and when i click it, nothing happens. Can anyone help? It started right after i started using Lupin's anti-vandalism tool -- ..::Abb 615::.. 01:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

That checkbox is disabled if you are reporting an anonymous user to AIV, since IP addresses are not "accounts". Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

While using Twinkle with MobileSafari on the iPhone OS, the popup windows for ARV, Warn, CSD, and the others don't scroll. Could someone fix this issue? NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ msg • changes) 19:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

That style of div doesn't display on any webpages.--mono 00:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I have had some discussion with an Admin August regarding unintentional reverts of vandalism back to the vandalism that occurred. Discussion can be found here along with links to the issues, under "Can you explain ..." we were wondering if something was up with Twinkle, I would appreciate feedback as I don't want to face the vandals again in case I do something wrong.--Wintonian (talk) 03:35, 20 March 2010

Seems you're using it wrong. If you click the "restore this version" link, it does just that: it restores the version you see on the left side in the diff, no matter what happened since then. In particular, and that's what happened in two of the examples, if a vandal makes two edits, you only check the last diff, and try to revert it by using "restore this version", you'll restore the intermediate version. If in the meantime someone else rolled back both edits, you'll restore part of the vandalism, as happened in two of the examples you listed.
You'll usually want to use the "rollback" links on the right side of the diff for those cases, those are more sensitive to changes that happened in the meantime (I think), and will also revert all edits done by the vandal in a row. Amalthea 11:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Hm, it's probably me expecting some different functionality... what I would like to see is a revision comparison of the "current" revision (the one on the right side) with the "last" revision made by a "different" contributor than that of the current revision. Ideally, that would not be in a tab (which is hidden by default in vector layout) but made available as a link somewhere in the comparison page header (e.g., "← Previous edit" extended to "← Previous edit (by different contributor)", where the text within the parentheses is another link that allows me to do just that). Cheers, Nageh (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the functionality of {{Tfd-inline}} has now been merged with {{Tfd}}, so that calling tfd-inline is equivalent to using tfd with type=inline or type=tiny There is now an additional option for type=sidebar which is similar to the standard type, but reduces the width and floats it to the right to nest it with an infobox or sidebar. We plan to keep the tfd-inline template around for a bit for transition, and also there hasn't been any formal process put forward to delete the tfd-inline template, but it's basically now redundant to tfd with the proper setting of type option. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I added a section in the requests. Anyway, I added an option type=disabled to basically do the noinclude's job. --JokerXtreme (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

YDone. Amalthea 10:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Another heads-up: Template:Uw-bv, a single-level warning, and part of Twinkle's standard install, has been nominated for deletion. Discussion here. SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

This template has now been deleted via the TFD process. I would remove it from Twinkle myself, but this is where I consider things a little bit over my head... SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

YDone. Amalthea 22:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

for the past few days the tabs just seem to change, new ones come in and some get shifted around, is this just happening to me, or what? P.s - im fairly new to TW. -- ..::Abb 615::.. 02:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle has no fixed tab order, and never had. You shouldn't see any new tabs though, I assume you either were confused by the random order, or (assuming you use monobook) that your window width is too small to display all the tabs - try to zoom out in your browser and see if new tabs appear on the right side. Amalthea 11:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

well they dont fill up the whole top of the screen so i think they are all showing -- ..::Abb 615::.. 22:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

That conclusion is not correct. Amalthea 17:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Can one change the names of the tabs? I have a fairly big screen with high resolution, so space isn't really an issue for me. I'd find it more intuitive if I could change tabs like "rpp" to "request protection". ~XarBioGeek ^(talk) 07:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Not currently, no. Amalthea 23:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Note: this was moved from WP:VPR. PleaseStand ^(talk) 06:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Currently, when using the rollback vandalism option on Twinkle, there is no optional edit summary. I propose that we include an optional edit summary for the rollback vandalism feature, as it will allow the user to further elaborate on what is being reverted or any special circumstances that warrant mention. Immunize (talk) 14:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

(This anyway isn't the place for Twinkle proposals, but...)

If you want to add a summary, use the simple "rollback" (as opposed to "rollback vandalism") function. The point of the vandalism one is that it's fast and clear: if you need to provide any explanation, then it's almost certainly not vandalism. ╟─TreasuryTag►Not-content─╢ 14:22, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

You are correct that in general if you need to provide an edit summary it may not be vandalism, there are exceptions to every rule, and there is really no disadvantage to having it available. Immunize (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The disadvantage is speed and simplicity (vandalism often comes thick-and-fast, and a one-click revert function is useful). And if you need to provide an edit-summary, then it is not vandalism. ╟─TreasuryTag►constablewick─╢ 15:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

There is an option as TreasuryTag stated. Use the Twinkle Rollback link appearing in light blue. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Agree with NeilN on this one. As the rollback vandalism button reverts immediately, writing an edit summary with it is actually wasting the time taken to revert the edit. If you're reverting suspected vandalism, I would still click the blue link and add something like "Possible test edit or vandalism" or "Unexplained removal of content". Minimac (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Are you suggesting to add one more link, just to the left of the "[vandalism]" link, that automatically adds the comment "Might be a test edit"? That would be a great idea, since I have observed during RC patrol that the line between test edits and vandalism is very blurry, particularly when the edit is one of the user's first contributions. Things as obvious as changing the name of the article's subject to "your mother" are not necessarily vandalism, and an extra rollback link is better from the WP:AGF viewpoint. Note that the warning template {{uw-vandalism1}} does not include the word "vandal" anywhere because of this exact reason. PleaseStand ^(talk) 16:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Then just use the regular "rollback" button and add an edit summary. This whole discussion does not belong here, see WT:TW. –xeno^talk 16:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Not much to add here. If it's vandalism, use the vandalism rollback link. If not, you use the normal Twinkle rollback link, which lets you add an edit summary. As I understand you, that's exactly what you were asking for, Immunize.
Adding additional typical rollback reasons would be OK with me, but it's a slippery slope. If it's too easy to revert things with a mediocre edit summary like "not an improvement", it will certainly be overused. Amalthea 12:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this is necessary. The regular 'rollback' button or 'rollback agf' can be used to add custom edit summaries. –xeno^talk 13:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Why doesn't the twinkle rollback option appear on recent change lists. In my opinion, it certainly should, as this allows for greater speed than having to go to the diff and then revert. Immunize (talk) 23:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't one have to see the diff before rolling back so one knows what one is rolling back? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

All I know is that with "real" rollback (not Twinkle rollback), the rollback button appears on recent change lists. I do not see why there should not be consistency. Immunize (talk) 23:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, there's a difference in how the MediaWiki rollback is given vs. Twinkle's rollback function. MediaWiki's rollback is given as an extra permission to people the community at least somewhat trusts, while anyone, unless specifically Twinkle-blacklisted, can exercise Twinkle's rollback function. As someone who has the real rollback and Twinkle's rollback, I'd almost say pull the real rollback rather than add Twinkle's rollback to the list. Rolling back edits without actually looking at them is not something I would encourage. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

When I edit, if I hover the mouse of the link to a diff, a small window appears that informs you of what changes the last edit made. This allows me to rollback an edit after viewing it without having to go to the diff. I believe that this option may be set in my preferences. Immunize (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

See, that's the thing - that's a different add-in entirely. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:POPUP to be precise. Rd232 ^talk 12:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

That's the next question - is it a good idea to add features based on "mixing magic"? SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by "mixing magic"? Immunize (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The reference comes from a Pee-wee's Playhouse episode where Pee-wee had made himself magically disappear, and Jambi (the resident genie, whom Pee-wee had come to for help) warned that it wasn't a good idea to mix different kinds of magic.

Basically, I'm concerned about adding a feature that is intended for use in tandem with another edit script, since not everyone uses both Twinkle and Popups (I don't use the latter), for one. Thus it seems it would be too easy to misuse (i.e. use incorrectly in good faith). SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Popups has a revert button built-in. If you're using it to preview the diff, why not use it to revert it (when necessary)? –xeno^talk 13:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

They do? I have never seen a revert button built into popups. Immunize (talk) 18:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

hover over diff -> actions -> revert | undo –xeno^talk 19:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I copied importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); to my monobook.js and cleared my cache, but I still can't get the tabs to display. I know it's something i'm doing wrong, but I just can't figure it out.. I have also tried to add Twinkle from Editing gadgets but without success. Thanks, Traxs7 (Talk) 17:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm using Firefox version 3.6.2 and after looking around I found an error in the Firefox errors console:
Error: twinklefluff is not defined
Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AzaToth/twinklefluff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript
Line: 601
Traxs7 (Talk) 17:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, After looking at morebits.js and twinklefluff.js I found the reason for the error. I'm not in the autoconfirmed or confirmed group yet. Traxs7 (Talk) 18:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, alright. I've confirmed your account so that you should now be able to use it, and fixed the issue you reported with twinklefluff (it should of course never cause an error).
Thanks, Amalthea 19:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

That Worked! Thanks Amalthea!! Traxs7 (Talk) 19:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I was considering that for the upcoming Vector deployment, we could add a special Twinkle menu, instead of adding all the actions to the Actions menu. An example is to right. It would be relatively easy to do such a menu, but it would complicate the code of Twinkle a bit of course. Special cases of monbook vs. vector addition. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:25, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll second the request. --JokerXtreme (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Done, if this is a keeper, we might want to find a way to properly put this in morebits.js or something. (Just not sure how to do it if morebits is only used for friendly.) —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 23:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

This is gonna be a lot more difficult than initially expected. There are just soo many different twinkle configurations. And Opera really doesn't like document.getElementById on elements that exist, yet are not yet added to the DOM. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

All the deletion options CSD, XFD, PROD and every option other than move has suddenly disappeared from the drop down menu in Wiki beta but I still have the options if I leave the beta and use the classic interface. Any ideas? --Wintonian (talk) 00:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Which browser are you using? And I trust you use Twinkle as a Gadget ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Firefox 3.6.3 and yes as a Gadget - Sorry should have said to start with. --Wintonian (talk) 01:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Same here with Firefox 3.0.19. Kevin (talk) 01:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Since I posted I noticed a bug report on the bugs page. Maybe I should add myself to it? --Wintonian (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

What the... OK, undoing changes. Seems addPortlink is broken under Firefox or something. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you - It works again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wintonian (talk • contribs) 01:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Functionality should be repaired now. Twinkle items should be in a separate menu again. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

...and broken again! Off to bed so hope you find a fix soon. --Wintonian (talk) 01:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

...and now working --Wintonian (talk) 08:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC).

Because the 4th {{uw-consensus}} is used (somewhat) in the standard version of Twinkle, why aren't the rest of them? I have encountered this more than once, and I need someway to calmly warn a user about the consensus rule.  A p3rson ✉ 00:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)