Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 31

July 31

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 31, 2019.

ACNH

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. czar 13:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a widely used initialism based on internet search results. signed, Rosguill talk 14:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep Its predecessor became widely referred to as "ACNL" or "AC:NL". Since there is nothing else that has that acronym on Wikipedia, it seems harmless.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If it's the only organisation with these initials, it makes sense to redirect the acronym there — maybe it's not commonly used, but it's unambiguous and not an error. If any other organisation with these initials gets an article, we can retarget or disambiguate the acronym, but until then, keep as is. Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The target of this redirect is a video game, not an organisation. Geolodus (talk) 07:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep Harmless and may be useful.  Nixinova  T  C  01:37, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Final Fantasy bestiary

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 16#Final Fantasy bestiary

Beastmaster (character class)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as overly vague video game terms. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Some of these were merged but I don't know if the content still exists there or in another article. Peter James (talk) 16:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore Final Fantasy character jobs as an article (considering the place where any applicable redirects' content was merged in Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series no longer exists), retarget all applicable redirects targeting Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series back to Final Fantasy character jobs, and then send Final Fantasy character jobs to WP:AFD. IMO, best nip this in the bud the best way possible and get all of these redirects eligible for deletion via WP:G8. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete all per nom. Let's just get rid of these things. Steel1943 (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • To wit: my opinion these should be deleted has nothing to do with whether the character jobs article should be deleted or not. They are simply too generic to only link to a page on Final Fantasy.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to the dab page. I'm not familiar with every game that exists, but to take "Beastmaster" as an example - World of Warcraft has that class specialization. It is very plausible that someone would search for that an expect to get a result. The dab page could handle that, where editors can add links to the correct list entries (if they exist). Alternatively, it could also redirect to Ranger (character class) which does mention "Beastmaster". --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • A dab page is meant to disambiguate articles. There is no article listing various classes in each game. That would be an improper use of redirects. The Ranger article is a dicdef and would probably be deleted if it was put in AfD because WP:NOTDICTIONARY.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - Titles are vague and since theyre just class names they may apply to multiple games. This isn't Gamepedia.  Nixinova  T  C  01:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Final Fantasy armor and accessories

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Mountain meadow

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The result of the discussion was Retarget Mountain meadow to Mountain Meadow, Mountain meadows to Mountain Meadows, and Montane meadow and Montane meadows to Montane ecosystems. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 07:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Montane meadows → Alpine tundra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Mountain meadows → Alpine tundra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Mountain meadow → Alpine tundra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Montane meadow → Alpine tundra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Montane and mountain meadows are apparently synonyms for each other. Alpine tundra is a mountain meadow, but many mountain meadows aren't alpine tundra at all; this is particularly significant in the southern Appalachians (USA), e.g. the large Big Meadows or the tiny GW Jeep Site both consist of grassland surrounded by woods, far below where the treeline would be. If I ran across one of these terms and wanted to learn more, I'd assume that a mountain meadow is always alpine tundra, so this pair of redirects unfortunately causes confusion. Delete unless someone can find a better target. Nyttend (talk) 02:42, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget per Caeciliusinhorto.  Nixinova  T  C  01:41, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per Caeciliusinhorto-public, with hatnotes re the other usage. Peter coxhead (talk) 05:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Johnny Cash – Biography

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 03:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Johnny Cash – Biography → Johnny Cash  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Johnny Cash - Biography → Johnny Cash  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unhelpful redirects. Has history, but was simply redirected, not merged. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Compare to SpongeBob Bio, which survived an RfD. Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a plausible search term with history ({{R with history}}) that means there is quite possibly incoming links from outside Wikipedia that will be unnecessarily broken. Thryduulf (talk) 09:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • delete both, we can not have redirects for every plausible sentence, let search handle it. There is some history, but no indication it was merged, if it was then keep that one, off course. - Nabla (talk) 21:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The Life of Edgar Allan Poe

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Life of Edgar Allan Poe → Edgar Allan Poe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Walt Disney's life → Walt Disney  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Life and Work of Ludwig van Beethoven → Ludwig van Beethoven  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Life and work of Ludwig van Beethoven → Ludwig van Beethoven  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
  • Abraham Lincoln's Life → Abraham Lincoln  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not within the scope of redirects. Redundant, much like Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 13 § About thomas edison. — the Man in Question (in question) 21:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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God Church

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Energy card

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 15:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I thought to redirect this to the video game term "energy" as overly vague, but I realized this is also a tabletop gaming term. However, it is possessed by a large amount of deckbuilding-type games. It might have to be deleted as having no clear target. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Perhaps convert to a disambiguation page given the circumstances. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:38, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't know how we'd make an effective disambiguation page out of current uses. Those search engine results will do just as well. --BDD (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per nomination and BDD; though a Google search seems to show that this mainly refers to a Pokemon card game, the term itself is rather generic. Note that the page previously redirected to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card_types since 2008, and was changed to the current target a few minutes before being nominated here. –Sonicwave talk 00:46, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as vague. Quite a generic card type for tabletops but it seems that there are no primary target game for this term --Lenticel (talk) 05:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Biography of thomas edison

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Jordan,Michael

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List of characters in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 16#List of characters in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2

Asmongold

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:45, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This person is a Twitch streamer, but is not mentioned in the Twitch.tv article. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom.  Nixinova  T  C  01:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and possibly WP:REDLINK.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator; absolutely useless redirect. Geolodus (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Second American Civil War (disambiguation)

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Overdrive (Final Fantasy X

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • While most such redirects were purged a few months ago, I left this one because it has history that can't be merged with the correctly formatted Overdrive (Final Fantasy X). I don't object to deletion though if it's deemed unnecessary. PC78 (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The history is just WP:GAMEGUIDE content that doesn't belong on Wikipedia.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:21, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This seems related to Overdrive (Final Fantasy X). It was merged into the main article, so this will need proper attribution. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I reviewed the edit histories of both Overdrive (Final Fantasy X and Overdrive (Final Fantasy X), and per their histories and this edit, there is no reason (even per WP:CWW) to retain the edit history in the nominated redirect Overdrive (Final Fantasy X. Both of the edit histories contain nearly identical edits from identical editors and IPs, meaning that it seems as though the editors thought that both pages needed to have the same information, which is and was highly unnecessary. Steel1943 (talk) 17:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Steel. There's no legal requirement to document every edit — all that matters is retaining the editors' names or pseudonyms, and you can't comply with this requirement for the edit history of X) without complying with the same requirement for the edit history of X. I'm glad Steel mentioned this, or I would have said "keep for attribution reasons", but as we're good there, we can treat it like any other redirect with a bad name. Nyttend (talk) 04:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Improper formatting.  Nixinova  T  C  01:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination and above. –Sonicwave talk 22:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 05:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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GameplayofFinalFantasy

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible, WP:PANDORA redirect that has no spaces. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm: Normally, we'd call those {{R from CamelCase}} but this seems to be a dupe (made way after the early 2000's as it was intended). @Steel1943: Why did you make this? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 06:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Final Fantasy#Gameplay. CamelCase version of Gameplay of Final Fantasy. May be created in 2012 (learned a few months later that we shouldn't proactively be creating CamelCase redirects anymore; this redirect was created during what was my first few months of regular editing, trying to understand Wikipedia), but the redirect is neither misleading or harmful. WP:PANDORA does not apply since this isn't necessarily "unhelpful". Steel1943 (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per above. Though, I don't think {{R from CamelCase}} applies because it's not {{R with old history}}. I guess this is WP:CHEAP. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; nobody typed this when CamelCase was normal, and nobody typed this at all on the 19 days before it was brought to RFD. Implausible + no views + not part of a system of redirects = delete. Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I thought these were left behind 18 years ago.  Nixinova  T  C  01:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination –Sonicwave talk 22:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 05:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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List of hate groups

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The controversial Southern Poverty Law Center does not have a monopoly position on what organizations should be designated as hate groups. feminist (talk) 13:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. –Sonicwave talk 22:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and per WP:REDLINK.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:31, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:56, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete agree with reasons given by nom. Atsme Talk 📧 08:31, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Persians

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Captan Iron

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Captan Iron → Iron Man  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not only is it misspelled, but "Captain Iron" is not a genuine name for this character and naturally is not mentioned in the article. —Xezbeth (talk) 06:14, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Telling that the correctly spelled Captain Iron does not exist. Google search brings up a 2015 entry for a Comicon Challenge, and there are unrelated mentions of "Captain Iron" at Captain Barbell and Mike Vranos, but none of this is worthy of either a redirect or disambiguation. PC78 (talk) 09:27, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom.  Nixinova  T  C  01:46, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete can't find good targets. Google search turns out comicon challenges and memes --Lenticel (talk) 01:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Huo Xing

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wu Xing. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 04:09, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Huo Xing → Mars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:FORRED, nothing particularly Chinese about Mars. signed, Rosguill talk 02:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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