Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs in DJ Hero 2/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:48, 18 February 2011 [1].

List of songs in DJ Hero 2

Featured list candidates/List of songs in DJ Hero 2/archive1

Nominator(s): MASEM (t) 23:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yet Another (something) Hero list. Follows the same format and approach as the other Hero song lists. --MASEM (t) 23:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dab/EL check - No dab or dead links in the article. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Think the image caption should say that the picture is that of somebody actually playing the game, it's not completely clear.
The lead is unreferenced entirely. That's not normally a problem if you expand on it in the article but things like developer/publisher info and release dates aren't discussed outside the lead.
"a one-to-five star rating" prefer "a star rating from one to five"
" to progress the player's progress through the game." progress the progress... reads poorly.
Probably worthwhile linking avatar.
"83 mixes on disk composed from over 100 different songs" vs "contains 83 mashups from nearly 100 songs from about 85 different artists" (a) don't be repetitive, (b) if you are, be consistent.
" in 6 venues" - six.
"Reviewers found the soundtrack to provide a wider range of genres..." -> "Reviewers found that the soundtrack provided a wider range..."
Table heading -> Mix Artist -> Mix artist.
Not keen on abbreviated dates in the second table...
Ref 2, the spaced double hyphen should be an en-dash.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've hit all the point above except the abbreviated months in the table; I know (at least, last I looked) that as long as one is consistent there's no issue with abbreviating months in a large table. --MASEM (t) 14:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the table in the setlist section can serve some references. Nergaal (talk) 09:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Current refs 1 & 2 are the references for the set list. -MASEM (t) 14:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The list looks pretty straight forward. Here are the issues that stood out to me:
- The lead is very heavy in the gameplay of the game. I would think that not so much is needed to get the gist of it. What about including some licensing info from the game article or brief summary of some of the song artists?
- What makes these references reliable?
  - The Boombox
  - PALGN
  - VG247
Other than the above, the list looks good. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]

- In the past, I've been asked to explain the gameplay in some detail to give an idea what's involved without forcing the reader to go to the main game article to find out. The amount given here is consistent wiht that information. As for a summary of the artists, I have given who some of the noted mix artists are; there are no real good sourced example lists I could pull from the individual songs that would lead to editors trying to add their own personal favorites. And there's not a whole lot known on the licensing.
- As for the sources:
  - The Boombox is a part of AOL Music, and they received the exclusive setlist reveal.
  - PALGN is well-established video game news site that is more focused on the PAL release region (Australia and UK), and the only significant reliable source that the VG project uses dedicated to that area. Note here that the source is only used to establish an opinion.
  - VG247 has recently been audited by the VG project to assure that all the primary editors of that news site are established journalists from other sources, thus bringing their reliability here. --MASEM (t) 16:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - No worries about the song artists.
    - I think a little licensing info would be better than none.
    - I found the VG247 discussion.
    - I tried to dig up discussion on PALGN, but most gave pretty flimsy rationales. However, I don't see much problem here because it is used solely from its opinion.
    - I'll check back later on the lead. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
      - Yea, for PALGN, it's opinion is one of the few we have from that region of the world. I wouldn't necessarily take their word on facts, but reviewing opinion is ideal. Still looking to see if I can find licensing. There might be something. --MASEM (t) 14:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Support: My issues have been addressed, and I believe the lists meets the FL criteria. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Update - As Activision just announced their shutting down Guitar Hero and DJ Hero development, they have confirmed there will be no more DLC. In terms of how this affects this features list, I've added a statement about the discontinuation of future DLC but otherwise shouldn't change how this list is approached. --MASEM (t) 14:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I was going to list these things as comments, but these are such minor semantics that I'm just going to go ahead and support. I have no doubt that you'll address these, and if you don't, I'll just go ahead and add them myself after the FLC.

List of songs in DJ Hero calls the DJ Hero series a "spin-off of the Guitar Hero series", while the list for the second game calls DJ Hero "an expansion of the Guitar Hero series". I think I like the first term better-- it really is more of a spin-off than an expansion.
At the sentence which ends with "add freestyle effects", the period comes after the reference. The reference should be after the punctuation.

That's all I've got. Nice work, Masem. Nomader ^(Talk) 05:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both fixed, thanks. --MASEM (t) 17:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias ^talk

~~The sentence that ends "add freestyle effects." seems grammatically incorrect to me: can you read through it and try and make it clearer?~~
~~"In certain sets that feature an article, the player will perform as that artist's avatar.." – I assume 'article' is meant to be 'artist'?~~
In Setlist ~~'N/A' sorts at the bottom for Artist1 and Artist2~~, which I like: but it sorts alphabetically in Venue and Setlist: can it sort at the bottom in these too?
In Downloadable content, 'N/A' sorts between The 900 Number and Traffic for Song 2 title, and alphabetically for Artist 2, can it sort to the bottom on these too?

Good work overall on the list! Harrias ^talk 17:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the first two sentences. The N/A thing is not working out as easily as I expected (in the table, its sorting those on the letter 'n' which is why you get what you're seeing) - I can't add the {{sort}} template around it without screwing up the table. Going to see if the n/a template can include a default sort phrase. --MASEM (t) 17:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've had plenty of arguments with {{sort}}! Not the end of the world if it can't go to the bottom, but it'd be preferable. Harrias ^talk 18:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would replacing "N/A" with an emdash or endash fix the problem? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 20:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Most likely yes. If that's acceptable, then I will do that. --MASEM (t) 21:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would be perfectly acceptable with me; with numbers it tends to make the situation worse, but with words you should get away with it! Harrias ^talk 22:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support regardless of where N/A sorts, the list is in my opinion up to FL standards. Harrias ^talk 22:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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