Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of birds of Alberta/archive1

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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of birds of Alberta

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Nominator(s): grungaloo (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have recently updated list with current information, added photos, tidied up prose. I think it's an interesting (if somewhat niche) list! grungaloo (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824
  • You could start with a short-ish description of Alberta, as you've done in List of birds of Bouvet Island.
  • The notes section is empty. Remove, unless some notes are added as this nomination proceeds.
  • Consider adding an external link to iNaturalist (or an equivalent site) filtered by Aves and Alberta.
  • The extinct and possibly extinct species could use individual references. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Description added, notes removed, extinct species cited. I didn't add a link to iNaturalist or eBird since I think per WP:ELNO #1 this would be a repeat of the information in the list. I did add a link to the Alberta Rare Bird Records Committee which manages the official list and provides additional information on some confirmed sightings. grungaloo (talk) 21:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry - forgot to ping MPGuy2824.grungaloo (talk) 03:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment
  • No list should start with "This is a list" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed grungaloo (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The Canadian province of Alberta is a [...] province within Canada" - reads quite clunkily. Why not just "Alberta is a landlocked province within Canada"?
  • "and the state of Montana to the south" - specify that this is a US state. No guarantee that people in other parts of the world will realise this
  • " contributing to variety of bird species" => " contributing to the variety of bird species"
  • "The list is that of the Official List of the Birds of Alberta, produced by the Alberta Bird Record Committee, as of April 2023.[6] Of the 438 species on the list" - I would simplify this to "The Official List of the Birds of Alberta, produced by the Alberta Bird Record Committee, contains 438 species as of April 2023.[6] Of these......"
  • Merge that tiny second paragraph with the one below it
  • "with a fleshy cere." - is there an appropriate link for "cere"? I for one have no idea what this is.
  • "but have a fleshy cere above the upper mandible" - ah, there's the link! Move it to the earlier usage
  • "unlike Old World vultures, which find carcasses by sight, New World vultures have a good sense of smell with which they locate carcasses." - move the link to the first usage in the sentence, not the second
  • "Shrikes are passerine birds" - earlier you used a capital P on this word - which is correct?
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All fixed! Lowercase for passerine is correct so I've made sure that's all consistent. grungaloo (talk) 16:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fourth one doesn't seem to have been done.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My bad, should be good now, thanks! grungaloo (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
EN-Jungwon

Images need alt text. -- EN-Jungwon 11:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added for all images. grungaloo (talk) 03:02, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, forgot to ping EN-Jungwon. grungaloo (talk) 03:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AK
  • Nice to see someone else doing these.
  • 'several "eastern" and "western" pairs' You don't make it clear what these are. Only someone who'd already a birder would realize what you're referring to.
    • Switched to eastern and western bluebied
  • "introduced to North America" should be "introduced to Alberta" since wild turkey is included as one of the introduced species (and their introduction to Alberta is anyway what matters in the context of this list).
    • Fixed
  • "125 are accidental" used as a noun, so should be "125 are accidentals"
    • Fixed
  • You could link Extinct, Extirpated, and Introduced.
    • All are linked now. They're linked in the intro where they appear, I thought about moving them to the bottom of the intro where the codes are listed - do you think that would be better?
  • "Violet-green Swallow" is incorrectly capitalized in the caption.
    • Changed the picture used so not an issue anymore
  • I feel like the collection of images here is very underwhelming; most of them are left in from before the list was reworked and are pretty old. NA is the best-photographed region in the world for birds and almost every species in this list has a FP-quality image available on Commons, so I don't think I can support a list which still has images like the one for ruby-throated hummingbird.
    • Replaced with FP or Quality images where possible
  • What's citing the family descriptions?
    • References added. If you want to check the source and don't have a copy, I can scan some pages for you to check.
  • The first reference doesn't mention any of the places Alberta borders and the map on it doesn't even include the US. It's also not particularly high-quality imo.
    • Fixed
  • That's what I got, leaning oppose in the current state because of the photos and the uncited material. AryKun (talk) 15:08, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks AryKun, I appreciate the comments! I'll work on those fixes over the next few days. grungaloo (talk) 18:29, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi AryKun, I've made the changes you suggest and replied to them inline. Let me know if there's anything else. Thanks! grungaloo (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Grungaloo, you've added the citations without changing the underlying text at all, so the references do not support many claims made in the text. Checking for the two BOW refs (Gulls and Longspurs), I found many portions of the text that are completely absent from the BOW accounts. Looking at the description for Gulls:
      "Laridae is a family of medium-to-large seabirds, the gulls, terns, and skimmers. Gulls are typically grey or white, often with black markings on the head or wings. They have stout, longish bills and webbed feet. Terns are a group of generally medium to large seabirds typically with grey or white plumage, often with black markings on the head. Most terns hunt fish by diving, but some pick insects off the surface of fresh water."
      All of the bolded portions are not supported by the BOW ref. Unless all of the family descriptions are rewritten and checked for compliance with the sources you have, I can't support this. AryKun (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I've rewritten the two you call out - worth noting that I took the Laridae description and reference from List of birds of Bouvet Island, so that article should be updated as well. The other descriptions genuinely match what is found in the source despite me not rewriting it - I imagine whoever initially wrote them used the same source I have. I'm happy to scan some pages so you can check, if you let me know which ones you'd like to spot-check I can send those. I'd rather not rewrite everything if it can be avoided. grungaloo (talk) 21:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Checked a couple descriptions from pages I have access to and they're fine, so support. AryKun (talk) 08:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grungaloo: I was about to promote this, but there's a cite error: "The named reference ARBC was invoked but never defined". You added it in this edit, and I'm unable to figure out what reference you meant. Ping me when you fix it and I'll promote. --PresN 03:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN: Should be fixed - thanks for catching that. It was a typo, ARBC instead of ABRC. grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 15:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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