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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 07:12, 11 April 2009 [1].

List of acquisitions by Juniper Networks

Nominator(s): -- Tinu Cherian -
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the FL criteria -- Tinu Cherian - 05:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are there no mergers to speak of? Dabomb87 (talk) 13:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There were no mergers as of now , known -- Tinu Cherian - 01:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There was a divestiture, though, which is something that belongs under a "mergers and acquisitions" list. This was the only one that I could find. Gary King (talk) 02:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- Although this list does not list mergers, the lead can be substantially expanded to tell more about the history of the company and more information about the merges, as it is in the List of mergers and acquisitions by Adobe Systems FL.--₮RUCӨ 04:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only divestitue known is already added at List_of_acquisitions_by_Juniper_Networks#Other_deals , not sure whether it can be called as a 'merger'. Should more to the history be added to lead section of this list or it is better to remain at Juniper Networks main article ? ( I am willing to add it still..) One reference model to this is list is another FL article List of acquisitions by Cisco Systems.-- Tinu Cherian - 10:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well that was passed almost a year ago, which is when the criteria wasn't as strict. Right now, the lead in this article (and the other) one really doesn't say much, it needs more of a summary of its acquisitions. Not just 3 of them.--₮RUCӨ 15:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Roger that ! I will work on it -- Tinu Cherian - 04:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What about now ? -- Tinu Cherian - 05:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Any other suggestions ? -- Tinu Cherian - 02:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Oppose/Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead
  • Juniper was founded by Pradeep Sindhu,[2][3] Dennis Ferguson, and Bjorn Liencres in February 1996. -- (1)No need for the names to be in italics (2)What's verifying the other people?
[TC] : Removed italics, added more references to the other founders also. [/TC]
  • The company was subsequently reincorporated in Delaware on March 1998 in and went public on the 25th of June, 1999. -- (1)Remove the in before and went (2)Comma before and (3)Per MOS:DATE, the date should be formatted as 25 June, 1999 or June 25, 1999.
[TC]: Fixed [/TC]
  • NetScreen had acquired Neoteris prior to this acquisition.Unisphere, before the Juniper acquisition, was initially comprised of three other key networking equipment manufacturers such as Redstone Communications, Argon Networks, Castle Networks. -- (1)space between the period (2)The such as should be replaced with a colon
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • Siemens had bought Castle Networks, for $300 million in 1999, and then combined it with two other acquisitions to form the Unisphere Networks. -- remove the comma
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • The names of the companies should not be in italics
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • The lead needs more transitions from each acquistion to the other, right now its really boring to read.
[TC] : Can you help in this one? [/TC]
  • Transitions like then later on afterwards --Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Links should be linked the first time they appear, not after the first time they appear, like the Siemens link
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
[TC] : Fixed. Removed wilikink to US. Rest due to the template {{USA}} :  United States [/TC]
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • Juniper has acquired over 11 companies till date. -- till date is wrong grammar, and what you are trying to say is WP:WEASEL talk, give an exact time period (date)
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • Juniper has officially released the financial details for most of these mergers and acquisitions. -- this list has no mergers
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
Acquisitions
  • The business column should not sort because there are more than one entries in some cells.
[TC] : How to disallow sort on a particular column? [[/TC]
References
  • Ref # 3 is missing a publisher
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • Ref # 4 is inaccurately formatted, the language field should not have what it currently haves and its missing a publisher
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • What makes masshightech.com reliable?
[TC]: Fixed. Replaced with alternate references [/TC]
  • This publisher is also inconsistently formatted.
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]
  • Some refs have publishers of Juniper inconsistently formatted, it should be Juniper Networks or Juniper Networks, Inc.
[TC] : Fixed. All to 'Juniper Networks' [/TC]
  • Many refs actually are missing publishers and are inconsistently formatted.
[TC] : Fixed [/TC]

--₮RUCӨ 02:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed most of the suggestions. How do I disallow sort on a particular column only ? Can you help me for "The lead needs more transitions from each acquistion to the other, right now its really boring to read." This is my first FLC. Thanks a lot for the kind review -- Tinu Cherian - 12:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Followup comments
Lead
  • Unisphere, before the Juniper acquisition, was initially comprised of three other key networking equipment manufacturers : Redstone Communications, Argon Networks, Castle Networks. -- the semi-colon should not have a space before it
  • [TC] : done
  • Juniper made most number of its acquisitions in 2005. -- add the before "most number"
  • [TC] : done
  • Juniper has acquired over 11 companies till November 2005. -- best stated as Since November 2005, Juniper has acquired over 11 companies.
  • [TC] : done. "Since November 1999" ?
Table
  • To make a particular column unsortable, use the same coding that made the ref column unsortable !class="unsortable"|
  • [TC] : done
Juniper Networks, Inc. M&A Summary
  • The section header needs to be renamed to Juniper Networks, Inc. acquisitions summary
  • [TC] : done
  • "Juniper Networks, Inc. has made 11 acquisitions while it did not take stake in any companies. Juniper has made 1 divestitures till date." -- (1)Reword the first sentence to Juniper Networks, Inc. has made 11 acquisitions, though it has not taken stake in any companies.
  • [TC] : done
References
  • [TC] : done
  • I'm sorry, but the since this list mentions the Juniper Networks as Juniper Networks, Inc. (it needs to be as such in the references)
  • [TC] : done. Changed all corresponding references publisher to "Juniper Networks, Inc."
  • Ref # 7|The work is from Google, while the publisher is Juniper Networks, Inc.
  • [TC] : The work is an orginal press release by Juniper. The URL is changed ( or content removed/archived ?). This content is just a cache by the Search engine operator Google.
  • Ref # 10|No need for the URL of the NYT publisher
  • [TC] : done.
  • Ref # 13|Properly format the publisher, it should not be in all lower case
  • [TC] : done.
  • Ref # 15|is still missing a publisher
  • [TC] : done.
  • Ref # 18|capitalize news
  • [TC] : done.
  • Ref # 20|is missing a publisher
  • [TC] : done.
  • What makes network world reliable? In addition, the publisher should not be in all lower case
  • What makes securitypronews.com reliable? In addition, the publisher should be the name of the company who runs the site not the URL
  • [TC] : done. Looks reliable. Saw many articles in WP referenced to this website. should always publisher to be the holding company or the owner ? Even The San Francisco Chronicle/sfgate.com is owned by Hearst Communications Inc. . It is better to leave as the popular name in some cases.
  • What makes ITwire reliable? In addition, the publisher should be the name of the company who runs the site not the URL
  • [TC] : Looks reliable.Reference is uncontroversial. btw saw many articles in WP referenced to this website.
  • What makes xchange mag reliable? In addition, the publisher should be the name of the company who runs the site not the URL
  • [TC] : see comments above.

--₮RUCӨ 20:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Made the changes. See the purged page. -- Tinu Cherian - 06:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now there is an inconsistency with the linking of publishers, either remove the links or add links to all publishers that have articles on WP. In addition, there is still an overlink of US dollars in the lead, and why is acquisition linked so late in the prose and not earlier?--₮RUCӨ 23:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • [TC] : done.Wikilinks to publishers that have WP articles are added. Only one wikilink to Juniper references to avoid over linking.
  • I'll support when the sourcing issue is resolved below, and my comment above about transitions.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support-- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards. Great work.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 14:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was a bit skeptical about this against 3b, but it seems fine. Still support.--Truco 14:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "founded in 1996 and with head quarters in Sunnyvale, California." Make this a separate sentence. Are you sure that "head quarters" is two words?
  • [TC] : done.
  • "Juniper did not acquire a company for the first three years of its existence, but in November 1999, Juniper acquired Layer Five, an Intellectual property design firm." I suggest splitting the sentence again. By using "but" as a connector, you've created a false contrast.
  • [TC] : done.
  • "The company's largest acquisition is the purchase of NetScreen Technologies for US$ 4 billion." Trim redundancy: "The company's US$4 billion acquisition of NetScreen Technologies is its largest purchase.
  • [TC] : done.
  • "prior to "-->before (multiple occurences)
  • [TC] : done.
  • "The majority of companies acquired by Juniper are based in the United States. Juniper made the most number of its acquisitions in 2005."-->Most of the companies acquired by Juniper are based in the United States. Juniper made the majority of its acquisitions in 2005.
  • [TC] : done.
  • "US based"-->US-based
  • [TC] : done.
  • "Since November 1999, Juniper has acquired over 11 companies" Missing period at the end.
  • [TC] : done.
  • "US dollars" Already linked above.
  • [TC] : done.
  • Why do you provide the location and establishment date for some companies, but not for others? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • [TC] : I will try to find the rest of them. done

Sources

  • Publications (newspapers, journals and magazines) need to be in italics. You can do this by changing publisher= to work= in citation templates.
  • [TC] : done. added for SFC and NYTimes.
  • Ref 6, add format=PDF to the template.
  • [TC] : done.
  • What makes http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/286611 a reliable source?
  • [TC] : Found over 614 articles referenced to this website.
  • Ref 10, web titles with all caps should be converted to title case (NEW ECONOMY-->New Economy)
  • [TC] : done.
  • [2] and [3] need the name of the magazine added to the ref, not just the publisher name.
  • [TC] : done.
  • "The San Francisco Chronicle"-->San Francisco Chronicle (No "The").
  • [TC] : done.

Dabomb87 (talk) 22:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changes made per most of the suggestions above -- Tinu Cherian - 13:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done.changes made per above suggestions -- Tinu Cherian - 07:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a free image of the company, maybe of its headquarters?
  • [TC] : done. Found an image at the commons .
  • This is unusual, but I would say that the lead is actually underlinked. Add links to some of the companies. Also, maybe some technical words, such as "intellectual property" and "networking equipment".
  • [TC] : done. I tried best to not to overlink.
  • The "US$" should not be separated from the actual dollar amount. Example: "US$ 19 million"-->US$19 million
  • [TC] : done.
  • "though"-->although
  • [TC] : done.
  • Some publications (newspapers, magazines, journals) in the references still need to be italicized, for example, Forbes.
  • [TC] : done.

Follow up

  • What makes the following sources reliable? We need to know about their reputation for fact checking. Even if they were used in previous FLs, remember that standards have risen. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information.
    • http://www.securitypronews.com/news/securitynews/spn-45-20050426JuniperToAcquirePeribitandRedline.html
    • http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/5bh1415823.html
    • http://www.itwire.com/content/view/2417/127/
    • http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/286611 Dabomb87 (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • [TC] : I will try to find alternative references -- Tinu Cherian - 03:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC) done -- Tinu Cherian - 03:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If XChangemag and CedMagazine are publications, they also should be linked. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The Juniper Networks contains a similar (albeit unformatted) list, so I'm wondering why the table can't just be re-added to that one. I'm bringing this up because there is a discussion at WT:WIAFL about changing the criteria so that unnecessary splits can't become FLs. I don't want to promote any lists that could end up at FLRC in a few months. (I'll leave the closing of this one to Matthewedwards though). -- Scorpion0422 21:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I may disagree to this, as much of the content to the aquisitions section of Juniper Networks was added by me and later I decided to make a clean list after seeing FLs in Category:Lists of corporate acquisitions. -- Tinu Cherian - 03:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just because other pages were split, it doesn't mean this one needs to be. -- Scorpion0422 15:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the valuable suggestions, comments and support. I hope most of the suggestions are taken care. -- Tinu Cherian - 04:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the changes to the FL criteria, I still believe this article warrants being a stand-alone list. Therefore, my support stands. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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