Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Detroit Red Wings draft picks/archive1

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List of Detroit Red Wings draft picks

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Nominator(s): Rejectwater (talk) 20:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it is a super awesome list. It has crawled through the peer review process and come out clean on the other side, as far as I can tell, so this is the next step. I look forward to hearing your input and acting on your recommendations. Thank you. Rejectwater (talk) 20:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - what does the "year" column relate to? It's not in the key, and as a non-ice hockey fan I can't for the life of me figure out what it means......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it should be "Round": relating to which round of that year's draft the player was selected in. But I'll let the nominator confirm that. Either way, it should be mentioned in the Key for non-experts. Harrias talk 19:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ha ha- yes, it should have been "Round". I agree "Year" in that column made no sense whatsover. Thanks. Rejectwater (talk) 23:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You want "Round" explained in the key? "Draft" and "Pick" as well I presume? I had thought they were self-explanatory, but, as you say, I am intimately familiar with the subject matter. Rejectwater (talk) 11:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I went ahead and added all three to the key to prevent any possible confusion. Rejectwater (talk) 12:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • I'm not sure if it's even possible to do this, but it would be better if GAA was sorting by the lowest average, since that is how the statistic is supposed to work.
  • Agreed on both counts. I don't know of any way to reverse sort. Rejectwater (talk) 01:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have found a way to reverse sort the GAA as previously requested. Using the sort template, the sort value is the inverse of the players GAA, ie one divided by the GAA (1/GAA). So 2.01 is sorted as 0.4975, 3.01 is sorted as 0.3322, and so on. Rejectwater (talk) 13:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't think the link to the main Sports Illustrated site is needed in ref 7. Also, the publisher should be italicized since the article came from a printed publication.
  • Formatting of Internet Hockey Database refs is inconsistent. Since it's ref 9 that is different than the others, I'd just adjust that one.
  • Good catch, thank you. Done. Rejectwater (talk) 01:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, should it be National Hockey League or The National Hockey League in the citations? I'd be inclined to go with the former, and the latter is again used just once anyway.
  • What makes Eliteprospects.com (ref 11) a reliable source? Giants2008 (Talk) 22:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not aware of any reason to think that it isn't a reliable source. The three uses of eliteprospects.com are to verify the player's positions. I have not found any other source which lists the position played by the three players in question. Rejectwater (talk) 01:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll leave this one out for other reviewers to consider. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is listed at the Ice Hockey project homepage under the Sources of information section. I imagine it must have been vetted in some manner to be included in that list; at the very least others involved in the maintenance of ice hockey articles consider it a reliable source. Rejectwater (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even professional hockey teams such as Leksands IF uses the site as a reference. See here for an example. Given that example I would say that it most likely is a reliable source.--Reckless182 (talk) 12:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Reckless182 (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reckless 182 comments
  • Consider replacing *, ^, † and ‡ with templates that allows for alt text. What I mean is a templates like {{dagger}}, {{double-dagger}}, {{Hash-tag}}, {{Up-arrow}} and {{Down-arrow}}. Alt text can be added to these templates to explain their meaning, like this: {{dagger|alt=Spent entire NHL career with the Red Wings}}.
  • That is a great idea, I am going to do this. Thank you. Rejectwater (talk) 11:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. I like this as an accessibility upgrade.Rejectwater (talk) 13:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not really sure about the usage of flags and wikilinks for player nationality. I would simply write out the name of the country and remove all flags and links.
  • I see what you're saying, however this is how every page in the series "List of NHL draft picks" does it. Some only use flags but that's a little too easter eggish for my taste. Where the player is from has been and continues to be a big deal in the NHL. Rejectwater (talk) 11:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see. I just think it looks a bit like overlinking. In an ordinary article nations are never linked since it is understood that most readers don't need the link to understand the context of the article. Also, linking Canada and USA over a 100 times doesn't really serves any purpose. I would at least considering removing all multiple links and just keeping the first instances.--Reckless182 (talk) 12:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a sortable table, so if one is linked they all have to be linked. Certainly I can understand not linking them at all, but I will leave this for other reviewers to provide input on if they so choose. For now I am going to stick with the project standard as I understand it. Rejectwater (talk) 13:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having looked at this again, I agree it is overlinking. The overlinking page lists this exact sort of thing as something that should not be linked: "the names of major geographic features and locations". I cannot think of a good reason why these links should be left as they are. Rejectwater (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Glad that we are in agreement. I'll mark these comments as resolved after you've made the changes. Good work! --Reckless182 (talk) 19:16, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see any other problems! Really nice work! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "are a ... team" followed by "The team is..." reads a little odd to me.
  • Yes, interesting. Is the Detroit Red Wings plural? Or are the team singular? I went with "are". Rejectwater (talk) 15:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link NHL Entry Draft first time round.
  • I don't know what a "penalty minute" is.
  • In the lead I have changed "penalty minutes" to "penalties in minutes" to match it's usage in the key and have added links for goals, assists, points, and penalties in minutes. Rejectwater (talk) 15:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please ensure all tables, including key tables, comply with MOS:DTT.
  • I have rewritten the key tables and modified the main table to comply with MOS:DTT, as far as my current understanding of it. Rejectwater (talk) 15:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You had commas in the "thousands" in the lead, e.g. 1,227 but not in the table, any reason for the inconsistency?
  • No, there was no reason. Went with no comma. Rejectwater (talk) 15:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref should be Ref(s).
  • Where are the players that have nothing in the Ref column referenced?
  • Reference 8 covers Draft, Round, Pick, Player, Nationality, and Position. Reference 9 covers Draft, Round, Pick, Player, Postion, Games Played, Goals, Assists, Points, and Penalties in Minutes. Each of these column headers has a link or links to these references as appropriate. References in the "Refs" column cover Wins, Losses, Ties, Overtime Losses, Goals Against Average, Played at least one game with the Red Wings, Spent entire NHL career with the Red Wings, Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame, and/or Number retired by the Red Wings specifically for each player as necessary. Rejectwater (talk) 15:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 4, 5, 8, 11, 128, 131.... etc need to use en-dash in the titles.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Exhaustive list, well researched & organized. Seems to make improvements on other team draft pick FLs in WP:Hockey. My only minor complaint is no pictures, but I guess due to width that had to be sacrificed. Anthony (talk) 13:44, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, there used to be quite a few pictures, but they made the page clunky due to the width of the table. Thank you for your kind words and support. Regards, Rejectwater (talk) 15:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Good job on meeting every single criteria for an FL! SoapFan12 20:24, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your support. Rejectwater (talk) 00:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - all looks OK. Humblest apologies for forgetting to return after commenting earlier -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No worries, thank you for your input and your support. Rejectwater (talk) 00:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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