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Critical Role (campaign two)

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Nominator(s): Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second time nominating; since the previous nomination closed, all outstanding suggestions have been incorporated (plural verbs fixed, links to monsters/concepts added in episode summaries, additional images). In terms of major new additions, the Production and format section has been expanded with a new paragraph on filming/set design (to go with corresponding image) and there's a new subsection on the 3 specials that have since aired (with corresponding images). There are 3 new plot sums (for the specials) and the Reception section has a new paragraph on set design & objects used in play. I'm really hopeful that the episode list will be promoted this time. Looking forward to the reviews! Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheDoctorWho
  • "Dungeons & Dragons web series Critical Role" is a MOS:SEAOFBLUE.
    • Removed the "web series" link. Sariel Xilo (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same with "Critical Role Productions' Twitch".
  • Any particular reason why the lead doesn't list Apha alongside Twitch and YouTube?
    • When addressing the blue links above, I rephrased to include Alpha. Let me know if it is unclear. Sariel Xilo (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a unique article in that it uses "campaign" as a disambiguator rather than "season" or "series", I'd consider removing the season number parameter from the infobox and adding |season_name = ''Critical Role'' (campaign two) to override it, just so the infobox title matches the article title.
  • I'd also suggest adding the cast members to the infobox using the |starring= parameter.
  • The networks should be broken up using {{plainlist}} per the infobox instructions.
    • Attempted to use the plainlist but I'm not entirely sure what I did wrong with the code format; switched it to Template:Unbulleted list which I could format correctly. Sariel Xilo (talk) 03:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the first sentence of the production section you utilize military time, but the lead uses twelve-hour time. I'd make it consistent either way.
  • Just to clarify, was there a YouTube livestream on Critical Role's channel, or was it only available there after the Twitch broadcast? If there was a YouTube livestream:
    • Was the Twitch overlay only available on Twitch or was it also available on the YouTube livestream? If it wasn't available on the YouTube livestream I'd change that portion of the sentence to read something along the lines of "but it is not available on the YouTube platform or Twitch video on demand (VOD) viewers."
      • There was a YouTube livestream so I've clarified on Twitch overlay. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Did the YouTube livestream have auto-generated captions as well? If so, "VOD" in that sentence should be replaced with "broadcast".
      • Looking at the source, it seems to just be referring to the VOD process. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mercer is positioned behind a gamemaster's screen In the inset portion" de-capitalize "In".
  • Portions of the first few paragraphs in the production section don't feel like production information? It is relevant, but perhaps would be better suited in a "Release" or "Broadcast" section per MOS:TV.
    • Moved paragraphs 1 & 4 into a new Broadcast section. Slight rephrase. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The image referencing the four-camera setup needs alt-text.
  • Wikilink Skeleton crew in the COVID section.
  • I assume DM in this section refers to Dungeon Master? If so, I would add that as an abbreviation in parenthesis in the cast section ("Campaign Two had eight cast members—seven players who form an adventuring party and the Dungeon Master (DM)").
  • Underneath the Episodes section header add {{see also}} and point to List of Critical Role episodes.
  • The episodes lists should utilize |LineColor = #FFDD00 so that the line color matches the table color.
  • Wikilink Streamy Awards in the Accolades section.
  • An additional link to the 11th Shorty Awards may be useful here, perhaps "Shorty Awards (11th)" or something along those lines.
  • Wikilink spin-offs in the adaptation section.
  • "sourcebook Explorer's Guide to Wildemount" is another BLUESEA.
  • References:
  • Add the following categories: Category:2018 American television seasons, Category:2019 American television seasons, Category:2020 American television seasons, Category:2021 American television seasons, Category:Television productions postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Category:Television productions suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic
  • This article isn't about the channel itself, so I'd remove Category:YouTube channels launched in 2018

The amount of prose in this article almost leads me to suggest that it should be at WP:FAC instead, and I'd likely insist if it was a typical series with ~15-20 episodes. But with, 141 episodes I can see why it's here instead. Regardless, I commend the work that's been done here so far and want to say good work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! I somehow missed it in my watchlist but I'll take a look now and start updating over the next few days. Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not entirely sure how to add alt text to the 4-cam image since that's not parameter in Template:Image frame; the example uses |base_alt= but that didn't work when I tried it. If I have time tomorrow, I'll take a look at some of the image template options to see how to fix it. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you set it up like this: [[File:Critical_Role_C2E98_"Dark_Waters"_screenshot.png|250px|thumb|right|Four camera layout during an ocean battle scene in the Episode: "Dark Waters".***INSERT CITATION HERE (''I had to take it out of the code box due to errors, it's the same citation currently cited in the article'')***|alt=InsertAltTextHere]] it should work. The "thumb" in the link makes it a thumbnail identical to the frame template. Unbulleted list appears the same as plainlist, and is given as an option in Infobox instruction so that works for me! That said, it doesn't need updated to plainlist, but if you're curious; I believe the only reason that plainlist didn't work for you is because the bulletpoints (*) have to be flush with the left side of the code editor, you can see an example with this article and can see how it appears in the editor. Given the updates made, I'm inclined to support assuming that the alt text and references sections are dealt with. Once again, fantastic work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining the code issues! I always forget that the bullet points can be persnickety. I've updated the image format & added the alt text. I'll ping when I'm done with the references. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheDoctorWho: I believe I fixed all the refs (except 46 which doesn't have an author). I relied on ctrl-f to find the ones you called out but I sometimes transpose lines when working in the source so I would appreciate a double check to make sure I didn't miss any. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great! Apologies on 46, not sure what happened there. Striking what I said above since all of my comments have been addressed to reiterate my Support. Best of luck with any future reviews! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. For the template you're using, visual captions can be added by putting |caption=This is a caption in the Episode table template; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |caption={{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 03:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PresN: I looked at the tutorial but I'm not entirely sure if what I did is enough. I added |caption={{sronly|List of episodes in 2018}} in the first episode table which is similar to the caption in the episode table at Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (season 1). If that caption is enough, I'll replicate it in the other tables. But if not, I would appreciate additional guidance. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep, that works fine, though it turns out this template works differently than others, and the "sronly" isn't needed, as the caption is always hidden- so you can do just "|caption=List of episodes in 2018" if you want. --PresN 04:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool! I removed the "sronly" & added captions to all of the episode tables. Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, this nomination has been open for a long time without much support, and no comments at all for over 6 weeks. In order to keep the queue manageable, I'm going to have to close it. Feel free to renominate it in the future; things that have helped nominations get more/quicker reviews in the past include advertising the nomination to likely editors and wikiprojects, as well as mentioning it when reviewing other FLC nominations. --PresN 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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