Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wrestle Kingdom 9/archive3

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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 05:30, 22 July 2016 [1].

Wrestle Kingdom 9

Nominators: リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) and starship.paint ~ KO 04:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is our third attempt at WP:FA for this article, as the first two attempts didn't generate enough discussion. The article is about a 2015 Japanese professional wrestling show, the premier annual event of NJPW, and was praised by critics. It received an award as the Best Major Wrestling Show of 2015, and one of its matches was awarded 2015 Pro Wrestling Match of the Year. Ribbon and I have created the article, brought it to DYK, GA and peer review.

To encourage activity, I'm willing to exchange reviews for anyone I haven't already given help to! Whereas Ribbon said he would try to help in his own way! :) starship.paint ~ KO 04:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mike Christie

Sorry to see you've had so little luck getting reviews after three nominations.

  • Any reason for the citation on the first sentence? Cites aren't usually needed in the lead except for direct quotes and contentious statements.
  • I believe it was originally there to show that the full name of the event is "Wrestle Kingdom 9 in Tokyo Dome" and not just the "Wrestle Kingdom 9" that's used throughout the article. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 09:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The full name is now in the Background section in the body! starship.paint ~ KO 02:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Tanahashi-Okada heavyweight title match also headlined Wrestle Kingdom 7 and Wrestle Kingdom 10": I think this means that 7 and 10 also had a heavyweight title match between Tanahashi and Okada, but this phrasing isn't quite right -- "The Tanahashi-Okada match" refers to a single instance of a match, not to a matchup. Just changing the lead "The" to "A" and making it "had also" might do it, though you could also rephrase.
  • Changed, thanks! starship.paint ~ KO 02:33, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I tweaked it; see if that's OK -- the problem is that Wrestle Kingdom 10 is not in the past at the time of Wrestle Kingdom 9, so using "had" only works for WK7. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The appearance of Pro Wrestling Noah wrestlers led to a storyline where NJPW's Suzuki-gun group began wrestling in Noah": I don't know enough about wrestling to really follow this, but I think it's saying that the Suzuki-gun group began wrestling under the Noah promotional banner, or in Noah events. I think this would be clearer to non-aficionados if you provided a timeframe -- e.g. "led to a storyline at the following week's Noah event".
  • "Wrestle Kingdom 9 was announced on August 10, 2014, to take place at the Tokyo Dome on January 4, 2015. That day NJPW announced a partnership with Jeff Jarrett's Global Force Wrestling, which it approached about bringing the event to a new market." I think this should be "which it had approached", since the approach presumably precedes January 4, but wouldn't it be better to make this strictly chronological? Something like (and I'm guessing at the date for the first part): "Early in 2014, NJPW approached Jeff Jarrett's Global Force Wrestling to suggest bringing the Wrestle Kingdom event to a new market. On August 10, 2014, NJPW announced that Wrestle Kingdom 9 would take place at the Tokyo Dome on January 4, 2015, and on November 4 GFW followed with an announcement that the event would be presented live on ..."
  • Personally, I would think that NJPW approached GFW about the PPV thing after August when the partnership between the two was announced, but this isn't specifically stated in the source given. It could also have happened before August. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 09:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If the date's not in the source then it's moot, so I've struck my comment. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ross attempted to obtain Mike Tenay for color commentary, but was turned down by the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) promotion": What does TNA have to do with obtaining Tenay?
  • "Others considered for the job were John Pollock, Mauro Ranallo and Kevin Nash, before GFW settled on Matt Striker": Do we need to include details of people who were not, in the end, involved in the event? If this is the sort of thing wrestling fans find interesting, I'm OK with leaving it in, but it seems a bit peripheral.
  • I'm not very knowledgeable about wrestling, but it appears kayfabe applies to Japanese wrestling too. Wouldn't it make sense to link "scripted" to kayfabe instead of to script (recorded media)? Or is the term not applied to Japanese bouts?
  • Changed the link and the text too. In the period of time that this FAC was up, WP:PW reached a consensus that the old "wrestling is scripted" disclaimer should be rewritten. starship.paint ~ KO 02:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you say "the main event" you can't really say "other main event"; you either have one main event or two main events.
  • The Tanahashi/Okada paragraph of the Storylines section goes back and forth in time in order to bring the reader up to date, and it's a bit confusing. I'd suggest sequencing the information like this:
    1. The main event was Tanahashi/Okada
    2. Tanahashi's path to being champion was ...
    3. Okada's path to becoming champion was ...
    4. The two have an extensive history; this is the seventh match between them, etc.
Done. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 11:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wrestle Kingdom 9's other main event was determined at the November 8, 2014, NJPW Power Struggle event": "event" used twice in a short span.
  • "Nakamura and Ibushi had a previous match at the 2013 G1 Climax": why is this relevant in this article?
  • The 2015 match played a lot off the 2013 match. It was like a sequel... Furthermore, the 2013 match was highly rated just like the 2015 match, it was rated the match of the year by Tokyo Sports. starship.paint ~ KO 02:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    OK -- can something to that effect be added in the text? For a reader unfamiliar with the wrestlers, it seems a bit of a non sequitur, since many of the wrestlers will have had prior bouts. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In one Wrestle Kingdom 9 match": not a very good opening to the sentence, though I can see you have to vary the intros to each paragraph in this section. How about something like "Another title that was contested at Wrestle Kingdom 9 was the IWGP Tag Team Championships" as the lead in?
Changed. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 11:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The rivalry took a turn in May 2014": I don't think you can say it took a turn if you've given no previous history. Something like "Wrestle Kingdom 9 also showcased a rivalry between Toru Yano and the Suzuki-gun group, which had begun in 2012 [or whenever]. In May 2014 Yano's tag team partner ..."
  • "...by Fish on Nick. first Chasing the Dragon...": missing "The" at the start of the sentence?
  • One instance of "Styles Clash" is italicized, and one is not; which is correct? I see some other italicized move titles; are these usually italicized in the sources? "High FLy Flow" is also once italicized, once not.
  • They're not italicized in the sources but in wrestler articles Bobby Eaton#In wrestling if the wrestler gives a special nickname to the move instead of its technical name, then they are italicized in Wikipedia like Alabama Jam. starship.paint ~ KO 02:33, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    OK -- if it's a WikiProject style and is consistent, that's fine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The link from "huracanrana" indicates that it should be spelled with two "huracanrrana"; I didn't fix it because I don't know which is correct.
  • "...with a High Fly Flow crossbody to Okada on the floor. After Tanahashi's High Fly Flow crossbody back in the ring...": assuming these are the same move, this could be compressed to avoid the repetition.
  • "puroresu is, beyond a shadow of doubt, indeed ichiban": I haven't got a clue what this means. If it's important to leave in, could you add an explanatory footnote? Aha; I see a link later for puroresu, but I still don't know what ichiban is.
  • "English-language commentators Ross and Striker "enhanced the show in their own ways": this is a bit vague and I think could be cut. You might need to paraphrase more of Powell's comments in that paragraph as a result, to avoid having almost the whole paragraph be a straight quote.
  • I expanded his review and tried to paraphrase more. starship.paint ~ KO 02:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Martin wrote that New Japan had transcended puroresu and was "some of the most passionate and poignant performance art today." ': New Japan is a group, so we can't say "New Japan is performance art"; it should be something like "has produced some of".

-- I've completed a pass; I'll wait for your responses and then go through again. Haven't looked at the sources yet. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:30, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Mike Christie and Ribbon Salminen: - thank you Mike for dropping by. I've addressed some but don't have much time now. I'll do more in the days to come. Ribbon you want to handle the Background/Storylines stuff? I'll add more about Powell in the Reception section, at least. starship.paint ~ KO 03:21, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've struck most points above; I'll look at the remaining points this evening and read through again then. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mike Christie: I think we've responded to all the above comments :) starship.paint ~ KO 03:58, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I've struck almost everything; a couple of minor issues left. I should have time to do another read-through this evening. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I read through again and made a couple of minor copyedits. I think the text is now fine. I will take a look at sources, probably tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you. For reference, I used the WP:PW/RS wikiproject reliable source list when editing. starship.paint ~ KO 03:26, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did some source spotchecks and only found one issue -- the following is too close to the original and needs to be paraphrased further.

  • Article: "Flipps announced that the stream would not work on Chromecast, Xbox 360 or Xbox One, three of the four most common devices listed as compatible with the application"; source: "Flipps TV is saying ...that the live stream won’t work on Chromecast, Xbox 360, Xbox One, or LG smart TVs. Yes, Chromecast and the Xboxes, three of the four most common devices listed as compatible with Flipps".

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Prose is fine; I didn't do a thorough source review but checked a handful and the sources seem reliable for what they're used for. I did find one close paraphrase and perhaps it would be good if another reviewwer did a couple more spotchecks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by MPJ-US

Only fair I comment on one of the few other pro wrestling FACs on here. I will be providing more comments over the next day or so.  MPJ-US  20:41, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Prose - nothing jumped out at me on my first readthrough.
  • Images - Going through them it looks like they all have the appropriate tags and licenses needed. The poster being fair use is allowed under the fair use rights so that checks out IMO.
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  • Thanks for the help. I've added dates in those citations. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 21:25, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excellent. Honestly that's all I have, it's a very well written article and from what I can see sources and images check out as well, happy to lend my Support to this. MPJ-US  03:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Jo-Jo Eumerus, Wrestlinglover, GaryColemanFan, Freikorp, and James26: - notifying editors who commented on the old FACs and peer review - would you comment on the article at this point? Thank you! starship.paint ~ KO 13:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've been moving and been busy with building a house more than I expected. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.--WillC 08:27, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comment -- sorry, I realise this is getting close but with no comments for a month and more required before promotion, I feel we have to archive this now; I'd suggest notifying all previous reviewers at the very beginning if you renominate. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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