Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Indian National Army/archive1

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The article was archived by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 20:09, 13 September 2017 [1].

Indian National Army

Nominator(s): rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 11:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about "Indian National Army", an organisation in south-east Asia formed during World War II. It forms a part of the radical side of the Indian independence movement, different from the Gandhian pacifist movement and is a very delicate topic, with very many differing viewpoints. A substantial effort has been made over several years to achieve an NPOV good quality article, carefully avoiding hagiography and pro and anti-INA bias. Best efforts has been made to achieve quality secondary and tertiary sources in noting the pre and post-war history, politics, people, of what formed the INA. Very close attention has been laid on factual content and giving due weight to view points and opinions, and extensive help has been sought from the GOCD. In time for Indian independence day, I think this would be a great article to achieve FA status on a less visible side of the Indian indepdendence movement.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 11:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods
  • File:Fujiwara_Kikan.jpg: can you provide more details on source?
  • File:Gandhi_and_Subhas_Bose.jpg: given source has date of 1950s; where was this first published?
  • File:Destruction_of_INA_Memorial_1945.jpg: source link is dead; who is potentially the copyright holder, and is the claim for the memorial, the photo, or both?
  • File:Former_Indian_National_Army_Monument.JPG: what is the copyright status of the memorial?
  • File:Azad_Hind_stamps_released_by_Indian_National_Army_in_display_at_Netaji_Birth_Place_Museum,_Cuttack,_Odisha,_India.jpg: what is the copyright status of the depicted stamps?
  • File:Subhas_Chandra_Bose.jpg: can you explain why the URAA tag would apply? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: G'day, I took a quick look. I can't comment on content as I don't know enough about the subject, so I have focused on more generic things. I have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • "army remains a popular and passionate topic in popular Indian...": suggest trying to change one of the instances of "popular" here to vary your language
  • this needs a ref: the paragraphing ending with "Men going forward on duty were issued British stocks of hand grenades by senior officer of the Bahadur groups attached to each unit."
  • this is not grammatically correct: "Men going forward on duty were issued British stocks of hand grenades by senior officer of the Bahadur groups attached to each unit."
  • this needs a ref: "Both the soldiers of the INA and civilians addressed Bose as Netaji ("Dear leader"). In October 1943, Bose proclaimed the formation of the Arzi Hukumat-e-Azad Hind, or the Provisional Government of Free India (also known as Azad Hind or Free India). The INA was declared to be the army of Azad Hind."
  • this is not grammatically correct: "The radio transmitting set with all accessories that sent by Subhas Chandra Bose to India in a submarine, four members of INA were the carriers."
  • "was organised into a quasi-military organisation..." (please try to reword to avoid repetition)
  • in the Operations section, I suggest splitting the 1944 paragraph as it is very long
  • this needs a reference: "Malik Munawar Khan, commander of 2nd Guerilla Battalion during INA's Imphal campaign, later joined Pak Army and commanded Pakistani Special Forces during Operation Gibraltar in 1965."
  • this needs a ref: the paragraph ending with "The Indian National Army Memorial at Moirang, Manipur, commemorates the place where the flag of Azad Hind was raised by Col. Shaukat Hayat Malik. Moirang was the first Indian territory captured by the INA."
  • newspapers such as Times of India, Hindustan Times etc should be presented in italics
  • inconsistent date format, for instance compare "2007-07-07" with "2 November 1945"
  • the citations are generally ok, but I found a few that needed tweaking (I may have missed a few, please review)
  • the Further reading section is inconsistently formatted
  • the Cohen, Moremon and Ghosh works do not appear to be specifically cited, I suggest moving them to the Further reading section

Continuing the review: AustralianRupert (talk) 12:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • the use of emdashes or endashes instead of parentheses is inconsistent
  • this is unreferenced: "In October 1943, Bose proclaimed the formation of the Arzi Hukumat-e-Azad Hind, or the Provisional Government of Free India (also known as Azad Hind or Free India). The INA was declared to be the army of Azad Hind."
  • Stenson & Rai citations (136 & 137) are inconsistent in their presentation, both also lack page numbers
  • the Cohen ref uses a different style citation to the other journal articles. For instance compare citation # 114 with 120 (Green).
  • is there a page numbr for the Urquhart news article?
  • sometimes you use "Firstname Surname" and others you use "Surname, Firstname". For instance compare "Healey, Beth" with "Stephen P. Cohen" or "Sumit Ganguly"
  • "File:Destruction of INA Memorial 1945.jpg": the source link for this file appears to be dead. You might be able to find an archived version here: [2]
  • "File:Surrendered Indian National Army troops at Mount Popa.jpg": the image description page should include an indicative date of when the image was taken
  • "File:Gandhi and Subhas Bose.jpg": probably needs a US licence as well as those that are already on the image description page

Replies to Images comments

Thankyou Nikki, to address the comments:

File:Fujiwara_Kikan.jpg: can you provide more details on source?
The original image was published (from what I gathere) in a Singapore newspaper in 1942 in print (I cannot shed light on which one). The image is also found in Joyce Lebra's Japanese-trained armies in South East Asia, published in 1977. I haven't asked Prof Lebra where her original source is.
Correction, the source were it was published is Domei Newsagency in April 1942.
Okay, could you add that to the image description page? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Gandhi and Subhas Bose.jpg:
To the best of my knowledge, the original image was published in TIME magazine in 1937.
As above, please add to image descirption
The destruction of INA memorial file is from s1942.org.sg.
This was a digital archive of Singapore government (to the best of my knowledge). I am not tinternetwise gifted, a cached version of the website may exist?
Former Indian national army monument is noted as released under CC license by the creator.
INA stamps are released under CC license by the creator.
For both this and the memorial, the CC license given appears to apply to the photo, but not what is pictured. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks, the photos are of the memorial to the memorial, and if the stamps described. The photos are used in accordance with the license to the best of my understanding. Is there a problem that is not immediately apparent to me?rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 07:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If something is being photographed, either freedom of panorama must apply or the thing being photographed must be freely licensed or in the public domain. This is separate from the license of the photographer. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point now. The former Indian National Army monument falls under FoP-Singapore, the Azad Hind stamps are in fact Cinderella stamps published in and by Nazi Germany. I imagine this is appropriately covered under PD-Germany-§134-KUG. please let me know if this clarifies.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 14:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure which other Subhas Bose image that you mentioned under URAA (terribly sorry, not sure what is URAA).

Best regards rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 16:41, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Uruguay Round Agreements Act - the image includes a tag stating it was in the public domain on the date on which that act came into effect, but it is unclear to me why that would be. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Many thanks, I must ask though which image is in question since the only one with Bose is the Gandhi and Bose together, discussed above. Best wishes,rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 07:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
File:Subhas_Chandra_Bose.jpg. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou, this image is not in fact displayed in the visible part of the article, I will delete this if it is a part of the hidden part of the article. In any case it does not add much to the article and is interchangeable (the subject of the article being the INA and not Bose). Thankyou for highlighting this.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 14:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note File:Subhas_Chandra_Bose.jpg is not a part of this article.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 10:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Australian Rupert

I will addess your notes today. Mnay thanks rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 10:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Many thanks for your kind comments Rupert. I have addressed the poitns you raise.

  • Some sentences have been removed now (re:Munawar Khan) for which I could not find dependable source (this was added in the past by a different editor).
  • Grammatical corrections carried out.
  • Italics provided for print publications.
  • I have not changed the date format. The inconsistencies you highlight are not in fact such. The date in words show the original publication date where the artile was first published in print. For online resources first published online (and therefore available as such), this is the date provided.
    • I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. The format is clearly different/inconsistent. Please pick one style and use that throughout. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yo're right,it didn't. This I think is adressed now.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 14:11, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have trimmed the Further reading section to include only relevant literature.
  • Uncited works removed

rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 10:09, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

REPLIES TO CONTINUING TO REVIEW

Continuing the review: AustralianRupert (talk) 12:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • the use of emdashes or endashes instead of parentheses is inconsistent
    • This is a bit difficult for me to address, since the current structure is mostly derived following GOFCE rvs, please give me a bit more time, and feel free to change as you consider appropriate as well.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • this is unreferenced: "In October 1943, Bose proclaimed the formation of the Arzi Hukumat-e-Azad Hind, or the Provisional Government of Free India (also known as Azad Hind or Free India). The INA was declared to be the army of Azad Hind."
  • Stenson & Rai citations (136 & 137) are inconsistent in their presentation, both also lack page numbers.
  • the Cohen ref uses a different style citation to the other journal articles. For instance compare citation # 114 with 120 (Green).
  • is there a page numbr for the Urquhart news article?
    • Afraid not one that I can provide immediately, this may be possible in the next 48h.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • sometimes you use "Firstname Surname" and others you use "Surname, Firstname". For instance compare "Healey, Beth" with "Stephen P. Cohen" or "Sumit Ganguly"
  • "File:Destruction of INA Memorial 1945.jpg": the source link for this file appears to be dead. You might be able to find an archived version here: [3].
    • I am afraid the archive notes the site but not specifically the image link.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "File:Surrendered Indian National Army troops at Mount Popa.jpg": the image description page should include an indicative date of when the image was taken.
  • "File:Gandhi and Subhas Bose.jpg": probably needs a US licence as well as those that are already on the image description page.
    • This will need more time, since this would fall under a confusing category in the US (to the best of my understanding). It was published before 1964, I am unable to find any records of the license having been renewed by TIME magazine.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comment: As this has been open for over a month without attracting any support, and has stalled over the last few weeks, I think the article's best chance is to archive this now and to renominate after the usual two-week wait. It may be worth engaging with those who have commented here to see what more would need to be done before renominating, in order to secure some support for promotion. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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