Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 30

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Ali Daei (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Sunil Chhetri (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Luis Suárez (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent categories each containing only one other list/article. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:23, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 13:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 10:38, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Ronald Arthur Hopwood (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON, WP:SMALLCAT. An eponymous category is not needed if only populated with a couple of relatives. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:05, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I do not see what is wrong with categorising relatives together, if they are notable enough to all have articles about them. Would it be more acceptable if the category were renamed after the father of the family, e.g. Category:John Turner Hopwood family? .Storye book (talk) 19:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There may be precedent for a move to Category:Hopwood family under the tree for Category:English families. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Can I do that now, or should I wait for consensus here? Storye book (talk) 20:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please wait until a consensus is reached. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, only three articles and they are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. OK, thanks. Storye book (talk) 09:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete — too few articles for family category.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:58, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Triple merge Timrollpickering (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Sports competitions in Portland, Maine to Category:Events in Portland, Maine

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Merge up to categories above. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Triple merge, also to Category:Sports in Portland, Maine and Category:Sports competitions in Maine. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Triple merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 20:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Medical doctors from DR Congo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Same scope as Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo physicians. Possible merge if appropriate. DB1729^talk 18:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No need to merge, both articles are already in Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo public health doctors. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and Marcocapelle. Oculi (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 10:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:20th-century Roman Catholic sisters. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:20th-century American Roman Catholic religious sisters to Category:20th-century American Roman Catholic sisters

Nominator's rationale: Parity with similar categories: we do not use "religious monks" or "religious nuns", and the extra adjective is unnecessary at this node in the tree. Elizium23 (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose singling out one category from an entire tree. As the whole tree uses "religious" sisters, a proposal to change should also be done for the entire tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Category:20th-century Roman Catholic sisters. Do not need to sub-cat based on nationality for some a small intersection. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Category:20th-century Roman Catholic sisters as an exemplar. No need for triple intersection of such a tiny WP:SMALLCAT with rare potential for growth.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 20:51, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Sophia Mendonça (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category named after a person, as per WP:OCEPON. This includes the sub-categories under it too. Kj cheetham (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the eponymous parent category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:44, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge / keep.

• Merge Category:Sports venues in Cleburne, Texas to Category:Buildings and structures in Cleburne, Texas
• Keep Category:Buildings and structures in Cleburne, Texas (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:26, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Cleburne, Texas to Category:Buildings and structures in Johnson County, Texas Category:Buildings and structures in Cleburne, Texas
• Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Cleburne, Texas to Category:Buildings and structures in Johnson County, Texas

Nominator's rationale: Merge both up to Buildings and structures in Johnson County, Texas per WP:SMALLCAT. Category:Cleburne, Texas page does not exist. –iAidan721 (talk) 14:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support sport venues (2 articles) to merge to Category:Buildings and structures in Cleburne, Texas; oppose buildings and structures (5 articles + a subcategory). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Read WP:SMALLCAT again...it says not to have small categories "with no potential for growth." As long as the city is standing, there is always potential for more venues and the category's growth. Tom Danson (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Reading WP:SMALLCAT that strictly reduces the guideline to a dead letter. Of course every hamlet can grow to a city of millions of people, but not within reasonable amount of time for editing purposes of Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the second one, Merge sports venues into it. And there is now a Category:Cleburne, Texas, currently with 9 pages as well as 2 sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 21:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge 1st, Keep 2nd — growth potential is relative. We expect some indication that there is actual growth, such as census data.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:37, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: No action required. Seems to be working there now. See e.g. (random article on Seediq language Wikipedia) https://trv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad. – Fayenatic London 18:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bother you, I'm not very experienced. My problem is how to change the word for "category" in the Seediq Wikipedia. Right now, category is translated "keelgan," but that's a typo. It should be kleegan. This typo appears on almost every page in the Seediq Wikipedia, as the pages are categorized by dialect, but none of us in the Seediq Wikipedia editing community seems to know how to fix it. I've found the same typo in the https://translatewiki.net/, and have fixed it there. Thanks very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shidailun73 (talk • contribs)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Out-of-place artifacts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There is no commonly attested to inclusion criteria for this category. What makes an artifact "out of place"? More than a few of these artifacts are not artifacts at all (being hoaxes). Some are not "out of place". So what purpose does this category serve other than to WP:POVPUSH that such phenomena of "out of place artifacts" exists beyond the armchair speculations of vaguely WP:PROFRINGE factions? jps (talk) 06:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I see it more as serving a (useful) WP:EVALFRINGE purpose, as described in the parent article out-of-place artifact. Basically (almost?) all of these are fringe theories, yes, but notable ones, and "out-of-place artifact" is a notable category of woo. – Joe (talk) 08:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do we decide the inclusion criteria for this category? What reliable source has ever identified something as an out-of-place artifact? All of the reliable sources actually describing the concept of out-of-place artifacts in our article on the subject identify the description as being either a misnomer or completely arbitrary. jps (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:OCASSOC since the category is apparently about being associated with a fringe theory. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Delete — per well developed category guidelines. Why have the guidelines without rigorous enforcement? WP:EVALFRINGE is an article content guideline, not a category guideline. There are no category citations to evaluate.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:32, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:1867 in sports in New York (state) to Category:1867 in New York (state)
• Propose deleting Category:1860s in sports in New York (state)
• Propose deleting Category:1867 in American sports by state

Nominator's rationale: One article. Merge to 1867 in New York (state) and 1867 in American sports. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Dual merge per nom. Possibly create a third merge target Category:19th century in sports in New York (state) which will likely be populated more easily. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• However see the more elaborate discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Support — unnecessary triple intersection with no room for growth. Heck, could be the beginning of removal of the whole useless series divided by state, when there simply aren't that many states. There are even sparsely populated subcategories years in the future.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 20:51, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Azteca América network affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Network set to end operations on Saturday Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Defunct Ladies League Baseball teams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: All pages are redirects to the league. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, this does not help to navigate between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• @Aidan721 and Marcocapelle: I don't understand the rationale for deletion – why remove from parents Category:Defunct baseball teams in the United States, Category:Women's baseball teams in the United States and Category:Defunct women's sports teams rather than merging to them? – Fayenatic London 14:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Because they all redirect to the same article. There is not even a separate section per team in this article in order to have the redirects targeted more precisely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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