Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 30

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Natural gas fields west of Shetland to Category:Natural gas fields in the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT: only one article, and I don't think we have any other articles to populate it.
If we do sub-categorise Category:Natural gas fields in the United Kingdom, the bet place to start would be to split by the UK's constituent countries, i.e England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. "West of Shetland" is both a narrow and ill-defined scope. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom, small cat and no good reason to separate Shetland fields from other UK fields and islands.--Mvqr (talk) 11:31, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Films about psychopaths

Nominator's rationale: delete, very subjective, being a psychopath is suspected from a character's behaviour but hardly ever formally established. These films are serial killer films, psychological thrillers, horror movies etc and already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch talk 18:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nominator and per countless precedents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:43, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians in Suzhou High School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Another overlooked high school alma mater category, this time discovered by accident while looking for small location categories. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nominator and many precedents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:American Roman Catholic bishops in South America to Category:American expatriate Roman Catholic bishops in South America

Nominator's rationale: These are U.S. nationals who serve their episcopacy outside the U.S.A. so they are expatriate bishops. A rather long target but more accurate. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Question, is it really necessary to add "expatriate" in the category name? Or does it speak for itself that they are expatriates? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Marcocapelle: the convention of the expatriates category tree is to include the word "expatriate". See e.g. Category:Brazilian expatriate actors in India, Category:Afghan expatriate musicians in Pakistan or the 122 subcats of Category:American expatriate sportspeople by country of residence.
  The only exception I found is judges (e.g. Category:Dominica judges on the courts of Anguilla), which I think may be because the judges are often non-resident and hence not actually expatriate. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ok that is clear. Then support for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians in the Outermost Regions of the European Union (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant container category containing only two empty categories, no article on Outermost Regions of the European Union so it's unclear to what this refers. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as overly specific. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Constructed languages with a Wikipedia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not defining * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to get rid of it, I would just like to list the articles here: Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua, Lojban, Novial, Interlingue, Volapuk. And I have to say that I find this a very useful category for determining Conlangs that have achieved some sort of threshold of enough to warrant writing articles in them. I do not have any rationale at the moment regarding DEFINING. UserTwoSix (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as Non-defining. And I think a list should not be in article space, as it would be little more than navel-gazing or to satisfy a niche interest, although it might have some value in Wikipedia space (e.g. Wikipedia:Constructed languages with their own Wikipedias) for internal maintenance/reference purposes. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this is way to much navel gazing anywhere in main space.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:47, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I'm going to oppose this. I think it is a useful category. UserTwoSix (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:07, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians from the former Soviet Union (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The entire Wikipedians from scheme is of dubious collaborative value, however this category is useless on top of that for reasons explained in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 17#Category:Wikipedians in the Confederate States - it serves as a political statement rather than a legitimate category of any sort. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment -- The definition is in fact Category:Wikipedians born in USSR, which is potentially valid, but is it useful? I doubt it. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, the purpose of user categories by location is that people may well have local knowledge about the place where they live. That is not the case here. Even more so because being born does not imply that people have consciously lived under the Soviet regime. Editors may add themselves to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Soviet Union instead, if applicable, but this is not meant as a rename proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:28, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as overly specific. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:26, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: St Paul's Co-educational College, Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Overlooked high school alma mater category. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic to Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic

Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C. A speedy nomination was opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon, Opencross, Redrose64, and Oculi: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon: The redirect link sounds good to me. In order to facilitate users' experience and practice then blank all the categories i created on Czech Republic named here, and reformulate them as redirect thus they will be easier to find on HotCat scroll list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opencross (talk • contribs)

• Rename - the oppose (by the creator) was gratuitous and should have been ignored. Oculi (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename for consistency with the tree that begins at Category:Sport in the Czech Republic. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Marcocapelle: This edit didn't notify me (I don't know why not), so I doubt that it will have notified the others (TSventon, Opencross, Oculi) either. This edit will definitely not have notified TSventon (it wasn't signed), so my post now is by way of a courtesy notification. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename per nominator for consistency with other Czech categories. The category order issue can be resolved simply by using a sort key. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename per nominator (and BHG) for consistency with other Czech categories. TSventon (talk) 08:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as amended. It seems to me that these people also belong in Category:19th-century Swiss people, so i will make sure they are all in that C19 hierarchy too. – Fayenatic London 11:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:19th century people in Geneva to Category:People from Geneva Category:People from the canton of Geneva
• Propose renaming Category:19th-century Genevan botanists to Category:Botanists from Geneva

Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, anachronistic categories in the tree of Republic of Geneva. The 16th to 18th century siblings have just been speedily renamed to a "Republic" format but that would not apply here. The Republic ceased to exist in 1798 (with a very short reestablishment in 1813-1815). The fact that people in these categories were born while the Republic was still there is not defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I would suggest a merge to Category:People from the canton of Geneva as Geneva is the city. Oculi (talk) 12:35, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Happy with that. Rathfelder (talk) 14:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ditto for the botanists unless Rathfelder wishes to introduce 'by occupation' subcats for Category:People from the canton of Geneva. Oculi (talk) 17:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • The three botanists in the category are clearly from the city of Geneva though. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • OK - I hadn't looked. Oculi (talk) 13:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Ukrainian genocide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A WP:POVFORK Cat of Category:Anti-Ukrainian sentiment and Category:Massacres of Ukrainians. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 01:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:SYNTH; see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukraine genocide (2nd nomination), which at the moment is almost unanimously in favor of deletion largely for similar reasons. The Holodomor is not the Bucha massacre. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the reasons given above, even more so now that the AfD has closed as delete. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 08:26, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep  There is a lot of news and academic publication on this subject in recent weeks.[1] The article Ukraine genocide was deleted because its text combined two subjects (Holodomor and 2022 Russian action). The category “Ukrainian genocide” does not. —Michael Z. 16:17, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There are currently several articles which deal with the subject or question of Ukrainian genocide in 2022:

  • Bucha massacre
  • Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • International Criminal Court investigation in Ukraine: quotation: “ICC Prosecutor Karim Ahmad Khan stated that the ICC could "exercise its jurisdiction and investigate any act of genocide, crime against humanity or war crime committed within Ukraine."”
  • Ukraine v. Russian Federation (2022): full title “Allegations of Genocide under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Ukraine v. Russian Federation)”
  • War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Genocide
  • “What Russia should do with Ukraine”: a Russian state media article that’s been called a “genocide handbook” by subject expert Timothy Snyder.

   —Michael Z. 16:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would renaming to Category:Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (per Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine) work? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukraine genocide (2nd nomination). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:38, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery: it might work, but it would be a narrower and rather different category, because a "Category:Claims of genocide" would be about the claims rather than the events. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:38, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Polish Army traditions to Category:Polish military traditions

Nominator's rationale: To match the Category:British military traditions and like, and avoid confusion w/ regards whether we can include Navy and Airforce traditions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support as consistent with Category:Military traditions and wider scope to cover air force and navy is common sense.--Mvqr (talk) 12:34, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Snake Island (Black Sea) to Category:Snake Island (Ukraine)

Nominator's rationale: Consistent with recently moved parent article Snake Island (Ukraine). Super Ψ Dro 07:50, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename - As the nominator said, it's consistent. Also, it seems to me that the suggested name would be more helpful during a search. Radzy0 (talk) 01:48, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who contribute to Homestar Runner Wiki (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: "Wikipedians by website" categories have dubious collaborative value at best. They're definitely useless when there isn't even an article on the website. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as overly specific. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians in Mexico and Central America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Mexico and Central America user categories (added later)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Wikipedians in Mexico and Category:Wikipedians in Central America; this bizarre amalgamated container category does not aid navigation. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Pppery and Piotrus: I have taken the liberty to add the parent category to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  No objection. I was looking at just "Wikipedians in" categories so didn't notice that the parent was similarly empty. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ditto. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as overly specific. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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