Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Perhaps when this building is completed, it will receive adequate significant coverage and this deletion decision can be revisited. But today the consensus is deletion.

This article can be restored to Draft space if editors want to continue to work on it. But it shouldn't be moved back to main space without passing AFC. Liz Read! Talk! 03:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir

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NN building. Fails WP:NBUILD and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr.sandippaul: Please could you tell us why you think that the article should be kept.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple reasons not to delete this page. All the information given on this page is true. I travelled here. So as per my experience, I can say that the information described in Wikipedia is the same as in real life. Architecture, geographic location, etc. are all properly mentioned here. So I think, for now, there is no need to delete this page. This article can be improved if needed, but deleting it would be a bad move. Sandip 17:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mr.sandippaul[reply]
These are not legitimate reasons. Please educate yourself on what is required to support keeping an article. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They are not policy-compliant reasons, but they are his/her reasons.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If it will really be the largest religious building in the world (and even if not, it is clearly one of the largest) then it is obviously notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, we don't have sourcing to back that up, this is the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails GNG and NBUILD. Sources in the article and above are not independent sources non-promo secondary sources. BEFORE showed nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  19:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Toddy1
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
"ISKCON aims to build world's largest temple in Bengal". Hindustan Times. 26 February 2013. Retrieved 28 January 2020. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ~ ✘ No
"ISKCON's Mayapur in West Bengal temple to be world's biggest". Telangana Today. 13 October 2019. Archived from the original on 6 December 2021. Retrieved 12 August 2020. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ? Dead link, article not archived ✘ No
King, Anna S. (2015). "Vedic science, modern science and reason". In Keul, István (ed.). Asian Religions, Technology and Science. Routledge. p. 55. ISBN 9781317674481. Yes author is a reader in theology at the University of Winchester Yes ~ Pages 55-56 talk about the building ~ Partial
Valpey, Kenneth R. (2019). Cow Care in Hindu Animal Ethics. Springer Nature. pp. 214–218. ISBN 9783030284084. Yes Yes ~ Pages 214-218 are really about cow care. The mention of the building is only slightly more than in passing ~ Partial
Chowdhury, Abhijit (27 August 2022). "হার মানবে তাজমহল, ভ্যাটিকান! মায়াপুরে ইসকন মন্দিরের এক এক তলায় ঠাঁই হবে কত জনের?" [ISKCON Temple Mayapur Details: Lose Taj Mahal, Vatican! How many people will live on one floor of the ISKCON temple in Mayapur?]. Hindustan Times - Bangla (in Bengali). Retrieved 28 August 2022. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ~ ✘ No
"বিশ্বের বৃহত্তম মন্দির বাংলায়, ১০ অজানা কথার সন্ধান" [World's largest temple: World's largest temple in Bengali, search for 10 unknown words]. Zee News (in Bengali). 27 August 2022. Retrieved 28 August 2022. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ~ ✘ No
Kar, Sharmita (27 August 2022). Srinivasan, Chandrashekar (ed.). "Vedic Planetarium, 'world's largest temple', to open in Bengal". Hindustan Times. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ~ ✘ No
Dey, Sreyashi (26 August 2022). "World's largest religious monument will soon be in India—with the help of Ford heir". ThePrint. Retrieved 28 August 2022. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ~ ✘ No
Mukhopadhyay, Sounak (27 August 2022). "World's largest religious monument to open in West Bengal, check details". Mint. Retrieved 28 August 2022. No Based on a press release No Based on a press release ~ ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

It is arguable that newspaper articles based on ISKCON press releases might be to some extent independent and reliable because journalists and fact checkers probably applied limited fact checking and the newspapers would have ignored the press releases if ISKCON had not been notable. Note that five of the newspaper articles were evidently based on the same press release - so they are not independent of each other. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References don't have to be independent of each other, just independent of the subject. In this case, it's a moot point, since press releases are not independent, and they were all based on the press release. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the table, BTW. Makes the discussion easier. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also offer thanks for the source eval.  // Timothy :: talk  17:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per the source analysis. could not find any better sources myself. DrowssapSMM (talk) 13:03, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Based on the source table shown, this does not meet notability for buildings. It is likely not old enough to qualify for historical building status, so it would fall under GNG guidelines. Beyond confirmation of existing, I don't see much we can use for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 18:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep meets GNG Outlook, HT, ET, Times of India all covered about its opening. BS covered it as early as 2014. Tripadvisor, Government of West Benegal treats it as a tourist place. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly - its opening is always in the future; the newspaper articles said covered its opening were written in 2022 and said it would open in 2023; but earlier articles gave earlier opening dates; I think they were written in response to press releases. Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir's website currently says that it will open in 429 days and 14 hours - i.e. 1 December 2024. But they are still trying to raise funds to pay building costs, so don't hold your breath.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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