Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Setsuri

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010 • (talk) 23:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Setsuri

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This is the Japanese word of "providence." This disambiguation page lists it as the nickname or first name of two Japanese people, neither of which has a biographical article, and an alternative name (used in Japan) for a minor religious sect. I don't think this really meets the standards for a disambiguation page under WP:Disambiguation. Kitfoxxe (talk) 11:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect The first page linked to doesn't even contain this word. Setsuri seems to mostly refer to the cult, it should redirect there. The artist himself doesn't seem to have warranted a page but a disambiguation note can be inserted if/when he does. SPACKlick (talk) 11:59, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I removed the invalid first entry, moved a partial match to 'see also' and added a valid entry. User:Kitfoxxe and User:SPACKlick, what do you think of the dab as it now stands? Boleyn (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It is better now. I'm not sure if it meets the standards for a disambig page or not now. If an article were to be started on the manga artist it would be a clear keep for me. Kitfoxxe (talk) 19:33, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Kitfoxxe, at the moment it looks like it should be a disambiguation note on the religion page saying "For the river see", if there were an article on the artist that would obviously change.SPACKlick (talk) 07:22, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't think any evidence has been put forward that 'Setsuri' is more likely to apply to the religion (for an English language reader) than for the river (which seems to retain the name 'Setsuri' when in English. As there is no evidence of a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, under WP:2DABS: If neither of the two meanings is primary, then a normal disambiguation page is used at the base name. Boleyn (talk) 07:29, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On absolutely trivial evidence, first page of a google search is;

Wiki, 5x Artist, Religion, 4x(unrelated), Religion, 3x(unrelated), 2xArtist, Cult, 2x(unrelated), Religion, (unrelated), 2xArtist, Religion, River, Religion, 7x(unrelated), Religion, 4x(unrelated), Artist.

Which makes a good case for the river being barely referred although the unrelated results make me think Setsuri might be a region rather than just a river. Searches for Setsuri River and Setsuri Religion return similar numbers. I'm ok with the Disamb as it is. SPACKlick (talk) 11:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I suspect that Ghits are likely to under-represent the notability of a river as compared to a cult, so there is no reliable evidence of either being the primary topic. With the redlinked manga artist too, it seems a reasonable dab page in its present state. PamD 16:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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