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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello PamD,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello PamD,

New Page Review queue December 2022
Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello PamD,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

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Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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The Blackpool article...

Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome PamD! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:39, 2 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Women in Red March 2024

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--Lajmmoore (talk 20:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

"No point in piping"

Re: this edit in future it would perhaps be better for you to make such an edit as a fresh one, rather than by undoing me. My edit was, as was clearly labelled, reverting block evasion. I'm sure you don't want people to mistakenly assume you are editing on behalf of the evader. DuncanHill (talk) 11:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DuncanHill I'm not sure it's necessary to revert every edit by a blocked editor: WP:BANREVERT says "This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert." Avoiding a pipe to a redirect is slightly less clearcut than fixing a typo or vandalism, but pretty near.
I don't think anyone would say I was editing on behalf of the evader, when my edit summary explains my reasoning for the edit.
But, to keep you happy, I'll undo my undoing, and then make the sensible change. ... Done.
It's an article verging on the AFD-able in any case: no evidence that NT or anyone else uses the term "Wasdale, Eskdale and Duddon" as one entity. I came across it when looking at the Petscan intersection of Category:Articles lacking sources and Category:Cumbria for WP:FEB24: it was one which I gave up on, but while I was looking at it I took a short cut to unpiping an unnecessary piping by reverting your edit. Will try to remember to avoid doing similar UNDOs in future. PamD 14:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template for MPs

Howdy. I'm asking for the 'majority' parameter to be deleted at Template:Infobox officeholder, concerning Members of Parliament. Not sure when or why its been added. Also noticed them in the current members of the Scottish & Welsh Parliaments, along with current members of the British Parliament. These infoboxes are about officer holder, not election results. GoodDay (talk) 06:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you didn't restore the 'vote total & percentage'. May I take it, you agree with me, such info doesn't belong in an officeholder infobox? GoodDay (talk) 07:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OrphanReferenceFixer: Help on reversion

Hi there! I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. Recently, you reverted my fix to Anum Qaisar.

If you did this because the references should be removed from the article, you have misunderstood the situation. Most likely, the article originally contained both <ref name="foo">...</ref> and one or more <ref name="foo"/> referring to it. Someone then removed the <ref name="foo">...</ref> but left the <ref name="foo"/>, which results in a big red error in the article. I replaced one of the remaining <ref name="foo"/> with a copy of the <ref name="foo">...</ref>; I did not re-insert the reference to where it was deleted, I just replaced one of the remaining instances. What you need to do to fix it is to make sure you remove all instances of the named reference so as to not leave any big red error.

If you reverted because I made an actual mistake, please be sure to also correct any reference errors in the page so I won't come back and make the same mistake again. Also, please post an error report at User talk:AnomieBOT so my operator can fix me! If the error is so urgent that I need to be stopped, also post a message at User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/OrphanReferenceFixer. Thanks! AnomieBOT 06:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC) If you do not wish to receive this message in the future, add {{bots|optout=AnomieBOT-OrphanReferenceFixer}} to your talk page.[reply]

@AnomieBOT The bot didn't notice that I'd also reverted the previous edit which had caused the problem. PamD 06:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A citation barnstar for you

For good work during WP: FEB24 Davidindia (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Citation Barnstar The Citation Barnstar
For good work during WP: FEB24 Davidindia (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, it was fun ... and somewhat addictive. PamD 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to have come 18th in the league table for WP:FEB24; it was fun trying to improve the encyclopedia and there are few, if any, completely unsourced items left for British and Irish hills, British rivers, Cumbria (having removed the Welsh items from the category tree), City of Lancaster, and fewer than there were for Lancashire, plus some random work. WP:Petscan, which I'd always assumed was something very technical, turns out to be a very easy way to intersect category trees, so I could match Category:All articles lacking sources with anything I found interesting or had good sources for. PamD 15:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for South West Coast Path

South West Coast Path has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 2 March 2024

Books & Bytes – Issue 61

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Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt Thank you! PamD 16:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

Citation Barnstar

This award is given in recognition to PamD for collecting more than 100 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible unintentional COI at Museumand article/deletion discussion

Hi, @pamD, I'd like to make a friendly and helpful comment here to see what you think. I was surprised to see your comments at the deletion discussion about the PR company which I think has been involved in placing Museumand related material on various, often unverifiable, websites. There is no doubt whatever that M&H Ltd is a private company which self-describes as business PR and event organising business. Most such companies operate within a single sector, in this case museums and, at the margins, libraries. My concern about your comment is that it seems to me that your desire to present M@H Ltd in the way you have might extend from membership of what you consider a community rather than a business. I also wonder if you have been in contact with the Museumand owners since we started the deletion discussion; there is an indication to me that you might have been. I've also noticed a pattern at the deletion discussion which might suggest that supportive comments might have been solicited. I could be entirely wrong, of course, and please excuse me if I am. I would say, though, that I think if I were right then you might be in breach of COI policy and it would be better to declare a personal interest. I am not suggesting in any way that you are doing anything untoward on purpose and I have no doubt that you are editing in good faith; I do find that your efforts at the deletion discuss appear, to me, more like lobbying than a regular editing discussion. Happy to discuss further. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 11:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I find your attitude very odd, too, intent on destroying an article and ready to make careless assertions.
For complete clarity: Yes, I emailed Museumand, once. I'll add it to the AfD. PamD 11:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @pamD, I'd ask you to assume good faith. I've simply proposed deletion of an article which conforms to AfD requirements and does not conform to the various WP policies I've laid out. I opened a dialogue here, not at the deletion discussion, because that is the first stage of the WP:COI process as I understand it. My view, having read what you've put at the AfD, is that your actions go beyond editing and participating in an AfD to a point where you are essentially acting as a supporter of Museumand (if it exists). In conjunction with your (no doubt accidental) misrepresentation of a commercial PR company as a 'community', which suggests to me that you may be part of that community', I think it is quite possible that you are breaching WP:COI. I won't carry on this discussion at the AfD page because that is a distraction from the AfD process. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 18:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for March 12

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Murray (surname), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Alison Murray.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, deliberate link - good to see the bot keeping us all up to scratch! PamD 18:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thanks you PamD for updating Chameli Devi Jain Award for Outstanding Women Mediapersons. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 15:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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