Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seanbaby (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I can't find consensus for deletion, but significant discussion arose around the fact Calculords may be more notable than Seanbaby himself, and a repurposing of the article to focus on the apparently notable game might be a solution (which can be discussed on the talk page since it is not deletion). ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:38, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seanbaby

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Non-notable writer/personality; lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, failing WP:GNG / WP:AUTHOR / WP:ENT. Previous 2006 AFD is amusing to read- editors (really, fans) claimed notability due to his minor writing/TV appearances, not citing significant coverage or policy. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:26, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Seanbaby is (or, at least, was) one of the more popular Internet-based comedy writers. For example, in this interview, Patton Oswalt cites Seanbaby as one of his favorite writers. His video game Calculords got significant coverage, according to a WP:VG/RS Google custom search. But I don't see too much for him personally in a cursory search for sources. I'll do more searches later. It would surprise me if he were non-notable. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Wow, the nom was right: what a bullshit lot of Keeps in the last AfD, which threw up a whole lot of "This guy is so important on the interwebz!!!" without bothering with so much as one shred of proof of it. And that's the issue here. I'm seeing a number of sources quoting or citing him, but not a single one that discusses him, and as the relevant guidelines explicitly state, a quote from a subject can't be used to support the notability of the subject. Come up with some interviews or articles in reliable sources about Seanbaby, and I'm happy to change my mind. Nha Trang ^Allons! 20:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I've got these two: [1] and [2]. Not sure how good they are. I guess I'll look more. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Pre-2009 AFD, and Wikipedia in general, was rather different. The discussions were a lot less in-depth, as witnessed in the first nom. Anyways, similar to NRP above, I also find it somewhat hard to believe he's not-notable, with the numerous mainstream publications he's written for. It may be harder to justify, since his writing is so over-the-top and satirical, but he may satisfy something like WP:JOURNALIST or something too... Sergecross73 msg me 02:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - As it stands, the sources provided by NinjaRobotPirate hardly contain the appropriate significant coverage required to keep this standalone article. -- Wikipedical (talk) 05:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Indeed. Crave Online would be a reliable source, but doesn't really discuss him in much detail. Not sure about the "Mancave" source. I'll see if I can dig up anything else. Sergecross73 msg me 14:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Here's some source I've found. They're not the most detailed, but they do discuss him, and what he's known for (Writing for Electronic Gaming Monthly, Cracked.com, making video games, etc.)

http://www.wired.com/2006/10/seanbaby_vs_uwe/
http://www.pockettactics.com/features/seanbaby-speaks-calculords-weird-idea-id-never-get-see-unless-made/
http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/03/5-hit-points-trying-to-stump-calculords-seanbaby-with-math-problems-and-80s-based-trivia/
http://kotaku.com/almost-the-nerdiest-game-ever-made-1536262314
http://www.destructoid.com/seanbaby-s-calculords-is-a-free-ios-game-271006.phtml Sergecross73 msg me 02:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

His game Calculords seems to have quite a bit of coverage here, and isn't mentioned in the article. It should probably be expanded to include that using these refs. Artw (talk) 14:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, these sources seem to be significant coverage of the game, not its creator. Yes, there are questions/answers about himself, but it's still hardly enough coverage to merit an article, in my view.. -- Wikipedical (talk) 21:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources found by NinjaPitateRobot and Sergecross, also WP:ENTERTAINER 2. Artw (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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