Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/School ghost Stories

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Disambiguate. I believe Slatersteven has it correct here, and it is a reasonable search term. I'll do the necessary moving around of articles. Note: Capitalisation fixed to School ghost stories. Black Kite (talk) 23:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

School ghost Stories

School ghost Stories (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Looks a tad OR, especially as school ghost stories are hardly unique to Japan. Slatersteven (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete there are several of these in American culture as well, as well as that ghost girl from Hogwarts (I'm blanking on her name atm). Also, the examples given appear to be original research. In the absence of deletion at least massive improvements are needed. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As well as number of articles on the same subject (films and TV series Gakkō no Kaidan, as well as a plethora of fictional school ghost stories, A School Story for example).Slatersteven (talk) 15:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:John M Wolfson, her name is Moaning Myrtle. Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 16:08, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Squeeps10, thanks. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Kaidan as a subsection of Japanese ghost stories Gakkō no Kaidan , since the editor obviously intended an article focusing on Japanese school ghost stories, rather than a more global article. The sources are WorldCat library book listings, so there is no way to judge the notability of these stories. - LuckyLouie (talk) 17:50, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. The creator seems to be using their User page as a sandbox for the article [1], so there are some other issues at work here. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect might not be useful, say I want to do a search for the film school Ghost stories, I would get redirected to Kaidan. At best this should be a disambig.Slatersteven (talk) 08:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is: Gakkō no Kaidan. - LuckyLouie (talk) 12:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but as this is the English wiki the redirect should be what an English speaker might search for. There is no reason for this phrase to redirect to Kaidan over a redirect to the actual phrase (in Japanese).Slatersteven (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The solution is simple, then. I leave it to you to articulate. Best regards, - LuckyLouie (talk) 17:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK It may be this needs re-purposing as a redirect to Gakkō no Kaidan.Slatersteven (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support redirect "IF" that is what LuckyLouie means by "The solution is simple, then. I leave it to you to articulate.". I was leaning "Delete" (still a secondary option) but maybe someone would ping me as an interested party if the others mentioned are examined. Otr500 (talk) 22:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a line and two academic references to the disambig page at Gakkō no Kaidan. If someone wants to heavily edit and rebuild the article being considered for deletion using these sources (rather than the vague and unfathomable Japanese books cited) they should do so. Otherwise I'm fine with School ghost Stories being a redirect to the disambig page. - LuckyLouie (talk) 23:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am still a bit concerned (given the universal nature of school ghost stories (OR ALERT not sure I have ever been to a school that did not have one) that linking to a specific nations version of them may not give the searcher what they want.Slatersteven (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

True, the OP had a Japan-centric view of what was a good article title for English WP. Change to delete or redirect to “Japanese school ghost stories”, or similar. -LuckyLouie (talk) 12:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to annoy you all, but the more I think about this the more I think "this is going to be a search term that will be used", thus I think this may need to be a disamb with link s to Gakkō no Kaidan, A School Story, School Spirit and whatever else a user may actually be looking for.Slatersteven (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Something like this [[2]].Slatersteven (talk) 13:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could be accomplished simply by making School ghost Stories #REDIRECT to Gakkō no Kaidan. That way either search term gets you to the same disambig page. - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but as I said it is also reasonable for someone to search for school ghost stories and not be looking for Gakkō no Kaidan (as I have implied I assumed this was about the M R James story when I checked out the article).Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you have reliable secondary sourcing that discusses school ghost stories from all over the world as a genre, feel free to create List of ghost stories about schools. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is about what people might look for, not an article. Also I am always dubious of "but it must be the exact phrase" for article titles. We have [[3]], [[4]], this (of course) excludes any book that is not JUST about school ghost stories.Slatersteven (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK then. An editor Googling for stories about school ghosts to add to an article sounds like WP:OR to me ; ) - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Its an example of what people might search for. This is not some concept unique to Japan or anime. I cannot support anything other then delete or make this page a disambig about all articles a user might be searching for.Slatersteven (talk) 08:58, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. While I believe in the supernatural, I don't believe in ghosts. But there is no doubt that interest in "ghosts" is increasing so interest in this topic is only going to grow. The Telegraph reported in 2013: "More than half of those taking part (52 per cent) said they believed in the supernatural, a marked increase on the two previous comparable studies, in 2009 and 2005, which both found a level of around 40 per cent. The survey also found that one in five claimed to have had some sort of paranormal experience. Interest in the supernatural has become big business in recent years, with the popularity of television shows like Most Haunted, which starred Yvette Fielding, and the spread of so-called “ghost walks” around supposedly haunted parts of city centres."[5] Even many of the irreligious are believers in the paranormal. The Wall Street Journal reported: "In his 1983 book "The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener," skeptic and science writer Martin Gardner cited the decline of traditional religious belief among the better educated as one of the causes for an increase in pseudoscience, cults and superstition. He referenced a 1980 study published in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer that showed irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely."[6].Knox490 (talk) 05:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL. Policy based reasons why the present article meets our sourcing and notability standards would help. Speculating about future interest does not make a strong case. -LuckyLouie (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.