Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Likud Knesset members

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. It can be treated as keep but all keep votes are not quite certain. (non-admin closure) Timothytyy (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Likud Knesset members

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Article is an unnecessary fork of Lists of Knesset members and its individual pages. Replace with a redirect to the Lists of Knesset members page Totalstgamer (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Totalstgamer (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Israel. Shellwood (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Would this be better as a category, rather than a list? --Enos733 (talk) 23:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question. How is it a fork of Lists of Knesset members and its individual pages? The Knesset members are currently listed by session, by ethnicity, by position, and by party. This list comes under "by party" and is part of the domain of "its [pertaining to: Lists of Knesset members] individual pages". gidonb (talk) 15:29, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Totalstgamer, for you! I look forward to your clarification! gidonb (talk) 15:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Its resorting the information by party, which is frankly unnecessary. Sorting is done by party in each individual Knesset page, which achieves the same effect, not to mention there's an entire category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Likud_politicians) (apologies for the long link, i couldn't get regular wikipedia bluelinks to work) for Likud politicians, and that to say we 'sort by position' is inaccurate. We don't have a list of every member of the Knesset by the offices they've held, we have two lists of individuals whove held higher parliamentary (and executive) offices, and individual pages for each government ministry. There's no clear reason for us to also sort by party... twice. Totalstgamer (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So the article actually complements Lists of Knesset members (!) and the fork may occur with the individual party articles. I see, however, that many of the party articles do not carry this information. I have not sampled all parties but among those sampled Hadash has these lists. Likud doesn't, so this article also complements the Likud entry. In addition, the Likud article is long. This would make List of Likud Knesset members into a legitimate WP:SPINOUT. gidonb (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fork by the way is somewhat of an exaggeration in this context. The potential for redundancy would be really the concern. But it doesn't happen in the case nominated. Unless I miss something? gidonb (talk) 01:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I concede fork might've been the wrong term, but the point still stands. There's no reason for this page to exist, especially since a table for Likud wouldn't be as long as the page we're considering deleting (the hebrew wikipedia uses such a table, i believe), or very long at all for that matter. Also of note, I've gone through the Knesset member pages and they're all sorted by party, which is the exact same information, laid out in the exact same way, and almost as easy to traverse. Given that fact, how does this page compliment lists of knesset members? those pages each already sort by alphabetical order and party. Should we also have an alphabetical list of all Knesset members? i presume there's a category for that, i haven't checked, same way there's a category for Likud politicians, who are overwhelmingly members of the Knesset. This doesn't have potential for redundancy, it already is redundant, its another in many lists of Likud MKs that's even more poorly maintained than the rest of them. Totalstgamer (talk) 13:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will examine the pages again and see if any of the concerns you raise are justified. Thank you for explaining your concerns in greater detail! gidonb (talk) 16:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This information is easily available via the various lists of members of each Knesset, so I think this is unnecessary duplication. Number 5 7 12:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I checked some more (see above) but this really is a legitimate spinoff of a list that otherwise can be contained in the party article. Can also be made for Israel's Labor Party. Whenever the list of a party's Knesset members is very long, and the party article is very long! gidonb (talk) 13:21, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. More opinions here would be welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep. Seems like a legitimate fork, listing by party affiliation. Seems encyclopaedic. Comments about could this be a category, yes it could, and it's good/normal/helpful to have categories and articles that do the same thing differently. CT55555(talk) 04:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Not a fan of the formatting, but the topic would meet WP:NLIST since they are discussed as a group, and this list is organized in a way that is different than the category. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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