Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ketel Marte's 18-game post-season hitting streak

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Ketel Marte. but discuss whether or not this page should stay as a Redirect after Merger is complete. Liz Read! Talk! 07:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to have to keep repeating myself but please do not move an article DURING an AFD. It really messes with the discussion closure. Please do not do this again. Just wait until the discussion is closed and then move the article. Liz Read! Talk! 07:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ketel Marte's 18-game post-season hitting streak

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Removed PROD. As I said, this is a record that is not independently notable. It was created due to the WP:RECENTISM of it being reached last night. The article's creator suggested on Talk:Ketel Marte that this is notable because Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak has its own article, but this is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument and time has shown that DiMaggio's streak has WP:LASTING power. The record is mentioned on Marte's article and 2023 World Series, which is sufficient. This does not need to be WP:SPLIT off into its own article. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Time has also not yet shown that Domingo Germán's perfect game has WP:LASTING power, yet there is an article on that. Why? Because the event was notable enough by itself and so warranted its own article.
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Make no mistake about it: this post-season hitting streak is historic and will almost certainly be enshrined in Cooperstown. That is why it's been covered by various news outlets such as MLB itself [1], ESPN [2], the AP [3], the Athletic [4] and many others. The criteria of "independent notability" has thus been conclusively met.
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There is no need to wait an untold amount of time before "certifying" that an event is notable. A record-breaking hitting streak is certainly notable enough that it doesn't need to wait 82 years before having its own article. TheCelebrinator (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We have had discussions about perfect games that have established that they meet WP:NEVENT, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy Halladay's perfect game and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Buehrle's perfect game. That sources exist for Marte's record in a news spike following Game 2 of the World Series is unsurprising: how to handle this is what WP:RECENTISM discusses. I guarantee that nobody knew who held the postseason hitting streak before Marte began approaching it, because it's not a record that has independent notability. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Two more quick thoughts on RECENTISM. (1) I know it's an OTHERSTUFF argument of sorts, but it's funny you create an articke for Marte's record postseason hitting streak but not Adolis Garcia's record postseason RBI total. (2) If Marte extends his hitting streak in Game 3, the title will be out of date. That's correctible by a page move, but demonstrates that the "18-game postseason hitting streak" record isn't necessarily going to be a thing after tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1. I am not aware of any significant media attention being attributed to that post-season RBI total record, at least in comparison to this.
2. That's a moot point. If someone were to break DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak, you wouldn't need to wait until that hitting streak is over (which, theoretically, could go on forever if it spans multiple seasons) to create an article for it. Wikipedia reflects the most recent and accurate version of events so the page will update accordingly if and when that changes. TheCelebrinator (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this article consists of one paragraph with one reference and the streak itself is not that notable considering there were no articles for the previous 17-game streaks. We don't even have a stand alone article for the concept of postseason records in general. It is a bit of trivia that is mentioned on his own page with additional mentions on the World Series page. I just don't see how the article itself can really be expanded much beyond the one paragraph it currently contains. Spanneraol (talk) 21:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, if you take a look at Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak, that's more or less the blueprint of how the article could, and should, look like. You go more in-depth with each game, the context, etc. I agree that in its current state, the article is incomplete, but that doesn't mean that the article itself isn't worth keeping. Like all things, it can only be improved. TheCelebrinator (talk) 02:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    DiMaggio's streak is far more impressive.. 56 games! 18 games while nice is nowhere of that level and it hasn't gotten significant coverage outside of a few mentions related to the World Series. Spanneraol (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    How "impressive" a streak looks is irrelevant to its notability. As editors, we ought to remain as objective as possible, and objectively, this post-season htting streak has been widely covered enough that it warrants its own article. Here's an article discussing it just now.
    [5] Ketel Marte extends hitting streak to 20 games. Notice the headline doesn't mention the World Series at all. TheCelebrinator (talk) 00:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Not everything that is "widely covered" gets its own Wikipedia page. It hasn't gotten significant coverage outside of the postseason since it's not a World Series-specific record. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Let me be clear, this article is not detailed enough to warrant its own article in its current state. However, if it is expanded upon with more facts that are supported by veritable sources, I believe that it is notable and important. As stated above, if the streak was ordinary, it wouldn’t be getting as much media attention as it is.76.117.162.190 (talk) 22:22, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah. Obviously, as I just created the article a couple of days ago, it's still very much a stub. But the article itself should be kept and expanded wih further information. TheCelebrinator (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to Ketel Marte. I just don't see this as a notable topic on its own. It's a nice record to have but its importance is nowhere close to DiMaggio's mind-blowing streak. Pichpich (talk) 20:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to add to my comment above, I'd like to add that it's telling that we did not have an existing article on the 17-game streak that used to be the record (shared by three players). So I just don't buy the idea that this new record is going to be part of baseball lore forever rather than a trivia question in a few years time. Pichpich (talk) 22:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Clearly no need for a separate article, largely per WP:SPORTSEVENT (which I believe still applies even though it is a series of sports events). Much of this content can be (or already is) covered on Ketel Marte, 2023 World Series, etc. I oppose a redirect because "Ketel Marte's [18 or 20]-game post-season hitting streak" is an unlikely search term. Frank Anchor 17:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and Redirect to Ketel Marte The streak itself is notable and important. However, I believe that it would be better suited as a part of Marte’s article rather than its own article. Brandon Nimmo (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to the Ketel Marte article, it's impressive but not terribly notable, it's only discussed in basically a paragraph here. Oaktree b (talk) 23:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect to Ketel Marte, the streak can be sufficiently covered in his article. Esolo5002 (talk) 16:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, and don't redirect - besides being an unlikely search term, the title is incorrect, as the streak reached 20 games before it ended. Hatman31 (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article's title was moved to "Ketel Marte's 20-game post-season hitting streak" after this AFD started, so that would be the title that would potentially be redirected (which I also oppose as stated above). Frank Anchor 21:32, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, thanks for pointing that out. Doesn't change my vote, though. Hatman31 (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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