Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hyogo Performing Arts Center

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator and no !delete votes. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:53, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hyogo Performing Arts Center

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I am failing to find little beside maybe this in the way of nontrivial coverage, and that isn't much. Fails the general notability guideline. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 20:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I am including Hyogo Performing Arts Center Orchestra here as well, because it is even less notable than its parent organization, but the result of this AfD affects its outcome. That is, if for some reason Hyogo Performing Arts Center is kept, the orchestra will be merged there rather than deleted. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 20:22, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well I know nothing of this center, but a search for "兵庫県立芸術文化センター", which seems to be the Japanese equivalent of the name, gives 1,280,000 hits, vastly more than the English version unsurprisingly. So it may well be that there are some in that enormous number that can establish notability; all we need is a Japanese speaker to verify that for us. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then Keep per Japanese sources identified by User:Hijiri88. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Gianvito Scaringi (talk) 19:28, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Even not counting the hundreds of news sources, the topic has its own entry in Digital Daijisen[1] and having a standalone entry in another encyclopedia is usually a pretty good indicator of notability. This is honestly the first truly lazy nomination I've seen since starting to monitor ARS in February, which is incredibly ironic as Andrew Davidson is not here crying BEFORE. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:29, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hijiri88: Aye, I apologize. Before I withdraw this, can you comment on whether its orchestra (which I should not have bundled here for this reason) is also notable? I found one and one-half nontrivial sources discussing it, but you might be able to find others. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Compassionate727: While I enjoy classical music, I don't general write Wikipedia articles on the topic, let alone on modern orchestras, so I don't actually know what kind of sources one would normally use to establish notability, but I think being the sole representative of Hyogo Prefecture in the Association of Japanese Symphony Orchestras [ja] would be an achievement worhy of a standalone article. I personally would prefer that we didn't have standalone articles on subjects that do not (and probably never will) have their own articles in paper encyclopedias, but the community doesn't agree with me on this and I've made my peace with that. Anyway, a search for the name of the orchestra in quotes didn't show up much because a lot of articles about the orchestra, not the venue, refer to them as the resident orchestra in the Hyogo Performing Arts Center, but the Kobe Shimbun did a piece about their outreach mini-concerts in elementary schools and special needs schools (which seems vaguely encyclopedic but could not be included in the article on the Center because it specifically doesn't take place there),[2] the same paper printed an article commemorating the orchestra's 100th concert and their "world-class conductor" Yutaka (?) Sado, claiming that their concerts attract unusually large audiences (I've honestly not been to a classical concert in Japan where more than 50% of the seats, much less 80, were filled),[3] and the Nikkei Shimbun had a piece that (admittedly briefly) compared the performing culture of the orchestra to that of the Osaka Philharmonic.[4] Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that your explanations of why the sources matter are erroneous (although you probably were just trying too hard). What noteworthy things the orchestra has done do not matter; that the orchestra is covered nontrivially does. As it is, we have sufficiently established that the orchestra is indeed notable. Thank you kindly for your help idenifying these sources, and I withdraw both nominations. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:53, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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