Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huang Guigu

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Huang Guigu

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Contested prod. The article only has one source, an academic book about the Amazons of the Greek epics that spends one short paragraph on this purported Chinese female warrior. The brief and tangential mention does not constitute WP:SIGCOV.

Secondly, a search for WP:BEFORE turns up a few worrying trends - that the book in question cited this website, which in turn was based on this genealogy that was hosted by a professor of applied mathematics. This genealogy is one of three sources named by Mucube (talk · contribs) when they contested the prod, and I posit that this, along with the other two sources, are WP:SELFPUB sources from the Huang family who would repeat family legends as fact. The subject of the article does not feature in contemporary sources of the period. _dk (talk) 04:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, History, Military, and China. Shellwood (talk) 11:24, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I tried my best to search in Chinese, but was unable to find anything reliable on the person. I find it strange that no sources cover this woman besides one small snippet in a book and a genealogy by a math professor. At best, it is a non-notable genealogical article, at worst it is a complete fiction. The fact that I can't easily tell is troubling. Curbon7 (talk) 23:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On the genealogy part, it is most likely a fictional work, at best an overexaggerated account of family legends. There are many anachronistic details about Huang Guigu and her contemporaries that just make one question the true reliability of the source. To name a few:
- One of her brothers named 高 was given the title 兵部尚書. Yet, this title certainly did not exist during Qin-Han periods as the 兵部 would only be established during Sui Tang periods.
- One of her brothers named 琬 was given the title 鎮南節度使. Again, the infamous 節度使 certainly did not exist during Qin-Han.
- One of her brothers named 韶 was given the title 鎮國大將軍. And that is not of this time period too......
With all these important titles and rewards you would expect to see some traces in contemporary Book of Han or Records of the Grand Historian. But as @Underbar dk mentioned, we don't have any of that.

dk and I also tried to look into the Huang family history books that mentioned her. The 江西黄氏通史 only appeared on genealogy book sites upon searching, and we could not find any reliable information on author, publisher etc. Contact details on the linked site leads to a random shophouse on the map; the only site that can provide an online reading is a Chinese genealogy website and demands 100+ RMB just to read it..... Zhoudadudu (talk) 05:50, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the source analysis above. Not meeting GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 16:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete based on the very thorough work by Zhoudadudu. Mccapra (talk) 08:11, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Fails to meet WP:GNG. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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