Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward M. Bernstein

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The result was delete. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 06:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edward M. Bernstein

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Non-notable. This page is entirely self-promotion with the exception of a single line where the subject ran (and lost) a political campaign. Samuel R Jenkins (talk) 09:21, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Samuel R Jenkins (talk) 09:21, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: as submitter Samuel R Jenkins (talk) 09:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC) (your nomination is your Delete vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC))[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Nevada. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is written more like a résumé than a proper encyclopedia article, cites no WP:GNG-worthy reliable sourcing at all to support the content, and claims absolutely nothing about him that would be "inherently" notable in the absence of any GNG-worthy reliable sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: He does seem to have been covered many times in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, although I haven't read those articles carefully enough to see if they are in-depth or independent enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Even though he is a failed candidate and this is clearly a promotional biography of a living person, he still might be notable and we shouldn't jump to conclusions based on the current state of the article.

QuintinK (talk) 03:42, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can find, the articles seem to cover his advertising methods...not him. "Lawyer Ed Bernstein is a fixture on local television, with his ubiquitous commercials and his weekly talk show. But though you see him every day, there’s a lot about Bernstein you probably don’t know" [1]https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/enough-said-call-ed-bernstein-a-pioneer-of-legal-advertising/

A delete and re-write of this article is needed at a bare minimum. In the current state, it's just an advertisement probably written by marketing people. Samuel R Jenkins (talk) 03:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Having a bit of local coverage in local-interest contexts isn't necessarily a free pass over WP:GNG in and of itself. GNG isn't just "count the media hits you can find and keep anybody who surpasses an arbitrary number", but also takes into account questions of depth, geographic and temporal ranges, and the overarching national or international significance of the context in which the person is getting covered. So a person isn't necessarily going to clear GNG just for having the expected local coverage in local-interest contexts, like an unsuccessful election campaign or a local television talk show. Bearcat (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. If you believe there are sources that could contribute to this subject's notability, you need to specify them, not just allude to them existing. Now is the time to mention them.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The University of Nevada-Las Vegas has launched a youth-centered program named after him, but I suppose because he's made a large donation. See the foundation mentioned in a WaPo article [2] and the UNLV announcement [3], which is a press release. Does having a program at a university named after you confer notability in Wikipedia? If yes, Keep, if not, delete, the rest is promo fluff.

Oaktree b (talk) 14:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, and the sources are not independent of the subject.-KH-1 (talk) 01:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Bearcat.-KH-1 (talk) 01:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The introduction states that "Edward M. Bernstein is a prominent Southern Nevada attorney, philanthropist, politician, and television talk show host." Let's analyze these claims. I have always found User:Bearian/Standards#Non-notability to be helpful when considering attorneys. While not official policy, Bernstein does not appear to meet any of these that could indicate there is enough out there to meet notability. The article does not cover his philanthropy and as much as I love my fellow Democrats, challenging John Ensign in a fairly normal election does not contribute to notability. The closest he could come is the ~~radio~~ show, but unlike candidate/show host/successful person Willie Wilson, it does not appear to be nationally syndicated and is purely local. The article also includes a lot of tactics used to mask the lack of notability. It lists where Bernstein is admitted to practice law (a list which conflicts with his own website). It lists various local honors with no context as to their significance. It even lists various celebrities who have appeared on his radio show. DeleteMpen320 (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.