Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davide Giannoni

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The result was keep. SarahStierch (talk) 02:08, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Davide Giannoni

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I admit this version of the sport is unfamiliar to me, but unless every professional athlete is automatically notable (in which case so should be every person who earns a living as a professional at anything) , I don't see anything making for notability here. The article was written after being rejected at AfC, and we need some programatic way of detecting these). I don't think any of the sources listed as external links are sources for notability .

I believe we have in the past been fairly skeptical about athletes claiming notability as the national representative of very small nations (in this case, pretty much the extreme that way, San Marino. ). I also notice the 7th item in "competitions" is worded in the first person, " 2010 I became part of the European circuit" .

I notice the main article for the sport (or version of the sport) , Vert skating, says in the text there are fewer than 15 professionals, but goes on to list 44 professionals notable enough for articles in WP. And I call attention to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vert skating--I've notified the main particpants there. I leave further discussion here to people who actually know the topic.--all I feel competent to do is identify a possible problem. DGG ( talk ) 22:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - After taking a look at the top 120 or so responses on a google search of "Davide Giannoni" + "biography," I've got nothin'... Carrite (talk) 23:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - and I preface my comment by saying that my area of expertise (if you could call it that at all) is skateboarding (see WP:SKATE) rather than inline skating. To address the 15/44 issue - I imagine the 15 would be those who are professional and compete in Vert skating and nothing else in the inline skating sphere. Like skateboarding, you can specialise in one particular event - vert skateboarding, street skateboarding, slalom skateboarding, etc - or you can compete in various disciplines. There are probably 44 inline skaters who regularly compete in vert competitions among other things but only a handful who do so and nothing else. With regard to skateboarding (though we are working on some formal guidelines) the informal consensus has generally been that a skater has to either meet WP:GNG or have won some fairly notable international competitions to be considered notable (in the same vein as WP:NOLYMPICS. Winning several X Games medals, for example, or cumulative points competitions at an international invitational (like the Maloof Money Cup) would probably be sufficient. The competitions won by the subject would not be in that category and the links to the ones in the infobox go back to vert skating and they likely wouldn't be notable enough for their own articles. Winning a single event one year at [King of Diga is not really a big deal. Stalwart111 04:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I dont know why do I have to explain this over and over like if its rocket science.. let me give you an example here, Pelé the greatest footballer in history aka (Edson Arantes do Nascimento) doesn't play football anymore, so he's not a professional anymore! does that mean we have to remove him from wikipedia? vert skating was included in the first xgames in 1995 and many athletes won medals, yes much more than those listen in the vert skating page, I just cant find sources and you ask why currently 14? XK8ER (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

also skaters like Moises Moisty Abreu, Manuel Billiris, Chris Edwards (skater), Rene Hulgreen, Matt Salerno, Shane Yost are legends in this sport, and they're not competing anymore. the only xgames for vert skating right now is held in China at the Shanghai XGames after it was removed from the ESPN in the US due to issues with TV ratings. so not only they get all of their competitions terminated but also their careers and only way of making money. Now also removed from wikipedia nice! XK8ER (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Say what? We're not talking about vert skating, we're talking about the BLP of a vert skater. Winning X Games medals in 1995 would be just as significant as winning them in 2012 per WP:NOTTEMP. Medals won in Shanghai would be as valid as medals won in LA or Miami or Sydney. Retired pro-skaters are just as likely to be considered notable as current skaters if they won major competitions or received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. That's the issue here - there is a comprehensive list of event wins/places in the subject's article and none seem significant. He also doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG (and is a current pro, from what I can tell, not a retired pro from 1995). Nobody is suggesting we delete Shane Yost (who won 21 X Games medals and was formally and formerly ranked number 1 in the world), that would be silly. Any comment on this person in particular? Stalwart111 20:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG: he is not from the US so I doubt you will find him on google.com but you can use google.it like https://www.google.it/#q=Davide+Giannoni+pattinatore

@Stalwart111: see some articles here:

http://www.sanmarinonotizie.com/?p=58361

http://www.sanmarinonotizie.com/?p=53528

http://www.newsrimini.it/news/2013/giugno/11/san_marino/pattinaggio_acrobatico._davide_giannoni_9a__ai_kia_world_extreme_games.html

http://www.rimini.com/news/pattinaggio--davide-giannoni-a-nantes-per-il-gladiator-contest.php

XK8ER (talk) 21:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with those sources is that they are all centred around a tiny geographic location - San Marino and Rimini - and don't really substantiate notability outside of the confines of his home town. Local press about a local person competing in (but not necessarily winning) international competitions probably wouldn't be considered "significant coverage". Others may disagree but that's my understanding of existing consensus. Anything like that from wider national Italian press or international news? Stalwart111 00:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you'll find something useful if you put enough time to research, good luck! XK8ER (talk) 16:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 00:45, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I was about to close this as delete, but wanted to check whether the athlete indeed fails WP:N (WP:NSPORTS does not say anything about Xtreme sports, from what I can see, and WP:N applies). I searched in Italian and was able to found a couple of things where he is described in some detail: Italian rollerblading magazine, Romagna Gazzette - the provincial newspaper, not just Rimini, and a couple of local Rimini articles were reprinted by national media, such as here.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per Ymblanter. I was about to close this as no consensus but found a couple more refs.[1][2] -- Trevj (talk | contribs) 11:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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