Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vert skating

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) John F. Lewis (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vert skating

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History is odd, but in more of a weak dicdef. Sourcing talks around subject matter, not enough to justify a stand alone article. Appears creator has been unwilling to merge (reading summaries only, I've never edited) so deletion seems the only alternative. The long list of names probably presents some challenges as well. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Several of those names seemed to have individual articles sourced solely by blogs, so I'm getting the feeling a major cull might be in order. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is very hard for me to find web sources to place in the articles.. most ESPN or X-Games links are broken due to vert skating not being part of it anymore (or at least not in the United States), US X-Games only hosts vert skateboarding and vert BMX competitions. These 3 books explain what vert skating is. They talk about techniques and the history behind it. Skating By Jed Morga By Steve Glidewell by Michael Shafran There are many newspaper articles that also talk about the sport and its athletes. There are hundreds of vert skaters around the world and just a few got to be professional since X-Games started back in 1995. Now the only way to become professional is to go to Shanghai, China and compete in the Asian X-Games and win a medal. XK8ER (talk) 02:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What we need is general coverage by main stream websites or publications that cover the subject itself, as a separate product. I'm not difficult, but it has to be significant coverage, where Vert is the primary subject of the article, not just one thing mentioned in an article about skating in general. I would love to be proved wrong and withdraw, but we need to have some kind of sourcing to maintain it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a big and popular website that has a long article just about Vert Skating like your looking for but the issue is that its in Chinese or Japanese so I cant understand it. XK8ER (talk) 03:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not require that sourcing is in English. When we can choose between two sources, we prefer the English simply because that is the native language here, but we don't discriminate: sources are sources. I use Chrome, so it will translate on the fly anyway. By all means, provide the link and lets take a look. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dennis, I am still looking for good reliable and independent sources for the Vert skating in English, can you please check out these 3 and let me know if you're happy with them..

>>What is vert in aggressive inline skating? http://inlineskating.about.com/od/inlineskatingglossary/g/vert.htm

>>a Beginner Guide to Vert http://www.aggressive.com/m/discussion?id=887108%3ATopic%3A61

>>this is why Vert Skating is no in ESPN anymore http://www.inlineplanet.com/Articles2/part2xgames.html XK8ER (talk) 05:49, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All three of these won't pass WP:RS. About.com isn't reliable (some exceptions have been made, but I don't think apply here). The other two are self published, which you can't use for WP:RS. I think you are still looking at having the closing admin put this in your user space and see if you can develop it over time. I have no problem with that, and maybe some references can be found in time. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:49, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dennis, don't tell me you have never seen vert skating.. its simillar to skateboarding on a vert ramp. have you head of Tony Hawk? but its vert skating with inline skates.. anyways I have found a few more maybe they can help you.

http://espn.go.com/action/xgames/news/story?page=x-games-asia-2011-in-line-coverage
http://www.kiaxgamesasia.com/en/event-info.php
http://www.espneventmedia.com/uploads/application/XGA_press.pdf

XK8ER (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't seen Vert skating, but I wasn't looking for it. I gave up the skateboard in the early 80s. I did see the first moon landing when it actually happened, but I was quite young at that time so only vaguely remember that. As for the links, I will leave that for the reviewing admin and community to review and decide on. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 17:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Theo polisme 04:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, the article on vert skateboarding suffers the same problem. I'd suggest merging these two articles into ~~vert ramp~~ half-pipe (EDIT:Vert ramp most likely need to be merged as well). SYSS Mouse (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 04:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - maybe I'm seeing stuff that others won't consider to be reliable sources but I've managed to find a few mentions in books, articles and other sources that would seem to cover the subject quite nicely:

Lifestyle Sport: Consumption, Identity and Difference by Belinda Wheaton (Routledge, 2004) - which has a section on the subject with some background and would appear to be fairly academic in nature and reasonably well-sourced in its own right.
In Line Skating by Steve Glidewell (Lerner Publications, 2003) - more a how-to guide but gives plenty of background.
Skating the X Games by Allan B. Cobb (Rosen Publishing Group, 2009) - includes a section on the subject at the X Games.

I've been careful not to fall into the trap of citing potential sources that actually talk about Vert skateboarding which is a different activity covered by a great many more sources. I think the sources above and the previous coverage on ESPN and in the X Games suggest that even if the sport is not popular now, it was previously notable and notability is not temporary. That's enough for me to consider it (as an activity) to be notable. Stalwart111 05:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

well said Stalwart111, I also think these two are great..

In Line Skating By Steve Glidewel
In-Line Skating By Jed Morgan

XK8ER (talk) 06:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well the Glidewell one is in my list above but the more the merrier. Stalwart111 07:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:24, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Aggressive inline skating. The references I can find so far all describe vert skating as a form of aggressive inline, and I can't see the rationale for a separate article. I'm not a skater myself, so I'm happy to be corrected (with references :-D ) if I've got that wrong. Altered Walter (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's accurate - it is a type of inline skating. But it is a distict type with its own competitions, events, skaters, etc. To me, it would be a bit like merging Rallying into Driving, but anyway. Stalwart111 23:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vert skating and aggressive skating is different. Aggressive skating is also with inline skates but its main purpose is to slide on ledges or on a coping in many different ways. It could be using skateparks or on the streets. Vert Skating is performed on a U shaped ramp called a vert ramp, its usually 14ft in height as you have seen in the XGames.. If I were to compare the closest sport to Vert Skating I would say Superpipe skiing XK8ER (talk) 05:13, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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