Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ambalavana Navalar

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ambalavana Navalar

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Deleted and declined x 4 at Draft:Ambalavana Navalar and created in mainspace. I can find references to texts written by him, but nothing to indicate notability. I'm sure offline non English sourcing may exist, but at the moment this is cross-wiki spam with no ability to establish whether he meets N:AUTHOR or other biographic notability Star Mississippi 20:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Authors, and Sri Lanka. Star Mississippi 20:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Scattered mentions in Gbooks, but nothing substantial. Oaktree b (talk) 21:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Questions. Does it have a bearing on notability if his books have been translated into English? If they have, would this likely make him a more acceptable subject for English Wikipedia, than if they haven't (ignoring for now any other aspect of notability)? Rupples (talk) 01:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It doesn't. And non English sourcing is fine, but as near as I can tell from Google translate, the Tamil ones don't approach N:Book leading to issues for him as an author or poet. Star Mississippi 01:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you. This is tricky. The first "exhortation" as its translated in the Tamil Wiki (doesn't look to be part of Wikipedia) is [1]. See page 7, which in translated form under Ambalava Novelist (20th century Area) ties in with what's written in the article. Continues on page 8 and very top of page 9. The book is here: [2]. It's difficult to evaluate whether this is a reliable source. Rupples (talk) 03:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This biography does not appear to satisfy author notability on its face, so a check of the references was in order. Reference 1 is a wiki, and so not a reliable source. References 2 and 4 are images from a book, and are the same, but cannot be machine-translated. They are probably by the subject rather than about the subject. The third reference can be machine-translated, and appears to be by the subject rather than about the subject.

So the article does not appear to be supported by the references, at least not if verifiability and notability are observed. The subject may be notable based on other sources, so draftification would be in order, except that there is already a declined draft. This article is a better draft than the current draft, and so can reasonably replace the current draft. The submitter should be warned that tendentiously resubmitting a draft without improving it is disruptive and may lead to sanctions. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Nominator comment if it can be verified that he started Vaddukoddai Hindu College, that could be a redirect target. However that article has issues of its own which I've just tried to address. Star Mississippi 15:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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