User talk:Kongugirl

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Thanks for thanking me. I always appreciate it. Rock on. UnsungKing123 (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Hindi. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:07, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Based on your appeal at my talk page, I'm withdrawing the sanctions (belatedly as I've been away, apologies for that). However, please be careful with your editing, especially in areas around Kongu Nadu. —SpacemanSpiff 16:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I Assume you have access to this book or the hard copy of the book that you cited here in the criticism section. Provide the quote on the content you added for verifiability. Also explain why did you removed content here without any explanation. Thanks SUN EYE 1 04:02, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"In 1916 a Tamil Scientific Terms Society was founded, chiefly by Brahmans, specifically to answer the needs of Tamil in the twentieth century. This it hoped to do mainly by issuing a Journal, edited by two Brahmans, one of whom was the future Congress leader C. Rajagopalachariar...Coin the words and equivalents, says the intrepid advocate of the vernaculars. This is more easily said than done. People who give this advice so glibly can have no conception of the enormous number of words that have no equivalents in the vernaculars and for which equivalents have to be coined. . . . This is not attained by manufacturing uncouth and ununderstandable Sanskrit compounds, as the equivalents of equally unintelligible English words." ^[1]

The sentence regarding Operation Vijay was moved down. The quote by P. C. Alexander is a comment on the Sarkaria Commission and on the appointment of a Chief Minister by a Governor. It is not a criticism of C. Rajagopalachari. Other edits are the expansion or explanation of certain ambiguous statements in the paragraphs. Kongugirl (talk) 07:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have the hard copy or the sof copy?. The P.C alexanders comment does look like a criticism that his appointment was criticized as a constitutional impropriety. The content you added does not seems like criticism, it belongs in the article's body. I did not reinclude those unclear statements that were without references, but what is this edit. SUN EYE 1 08:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to the cited source Of Governors and Chief Ministers By C.V. Gopalakrishnan the quote is P. C. Alexander's comment on the powers of the Governor to appoint the Chief Minister. How can it be considered as criticism of the person whom the Wikipedia page is about? Kongugirl (talk) 08:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't yet answered those diffs and stop using misleading edit summaries like this Expanded from the existing citations and added links where you have only cut off text. The criticism was on his alleged improper appointment. SUN EYE 1 05:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears you are trying to whitewash the criticism section, you haven't replied to the concerns above. How is legacy and criticism the same? Further more editing like this and I'm taking this to an apparent notice board. SUN EYE 1 05:27, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No Wikipedia article related to the biography of a person has a "Criticism" section; rather Legacy & Controversy. Some statements do not have citations and appear to be the opinion of the person who created the article/ section. Example: "Rajagopalachari was considered one of the ablest statesmen in the national arena." (By whom?) "But critics (who?) opine that he failed to gauge the thoughts and feelings of the masses in provincial and then state administrations." As you have suggested, P.C. Alexander's quote is a criticism of the method of appointment. Therefore it cannot be considered as criticism of the person itself. It should be moved to the "Madras State 1952–1954" section which deals with his appointment and tenure. The previous concern was not addressed as you have replaced the edit with a fairer version. Kongugirl (talk) 06:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are yet to answer the above concerns about the diffs raised by me. The sentence "Rajagopalachari was considered one of the ablest statesmen in the national arena." was not added by me and I don't think it is in the source too. I'll remove it and I'll move the Alexander quote to the "Madras state" section. You are wrong about No Wikipedia article related to the biography of a person has a "Criticism" section; rather Legacy & Controversy.; see Mother Teresa. But the title must be changed to "Reception" as it fits it's content more better than "Criticism". SUN EYE 1 07:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding edit, the cited does not indicate that the person in the article is "pro-Brahmin" and "anti-Brahmin" is an adjective for Dravidian movement as already mentioned in the source - Passions of the Tongue. The edit "coin new scientific vocabularies in Tamil derived from" is also mentioned in the same source and conveys specific information. The sentence "But critics opine that he failed to gauge the thoughts and feelings of the masses in provincial and then state administrations" appears to be a piece of unsourced information. Can you remove it or provide a citation? Thank you for moving P.C. Alexander's quote to the "Madras State 1952–1954" section and changing "Criticism" to "Reception" which suits the content in that section.Kongugirl (talk) 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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SUN EYE 1 05:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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