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Ok, thankyou! :) --Ivario (talk) 21:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I see you are listed as a member of a WikiProject of a Baltic state. I was wondering if anybody who actively works on Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian articles, would be interested in launching your own Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Baltic), based on the Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic) and Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. The idea would be to try to bring about 1000 article improvements and creations on this region as an enjoyable challenge and potentially things like National Contests with prizes. If you'd be interested and think it's something you might regularly contribute to, comment and sign up at Talk:Baltic states. If there is interest we can move this to a project somewhere and set something up, thanks. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In situations like this when you want to link to a different language Wikipedia, you can use {{ill}} template. I added it for the article. Renata (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, Renata! Will try to do! Ivario (talk) 22:46, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ivario. I noticed that you recently used ethnicelebs.com as a source biographical information in Lauv. Please note that there is general consensus that ethnicelebs.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See User_talk:XLinkBot/RevertList#EthniCelebs.com). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ronz. Yes, I had the assumption that EthniCelebs might not be a quality source, although they seemed to have links to public records showing this at the bottom of their article. I may dig into those later. Thanks for letting me know. Ivario (talk) 22:45, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In 1936 the Helēna Faulbaums sank off Belnahua with the loss of 15 lives. I have been improving this island article and there is an apparent discrepancy between the sources.

According to a spokesperson for the Luing History Group only Captain Cughauss's body was repatriated and the other 14 sailors were interred on nearby Luing.^[1]

However, earlier this year you added: "Seven of the perished were later buried in Cullipool cemetery on Luing, but the captain of the ship Nikolajs Cughauss and others were buried in Latvia."^[2]

Lacking a command of Latvian I am hoping you can confirm that this the latter article definitely refers to other repatriations. (The title hints at this but it's not explicit). Ben MacDui 15:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ben! Sorry for the long wait, but I had a chance to properly address this only now. So this article states the following:

Šodien gulda Skotijas zemē 7 latvju jūrniekus
(Pa tālruni no mūsu korespondenta Londonā.)
Londonā, 2. novembrī. Traģiskā nāvē mirušo latviešu jūrnieku bēres notiks šodien plkst. 12 klusajā Kulipulu saliņā. No atrastajiem katastrofas upuriem Skotijas smiltīs guldīs tikai 7: radiotelegrafistu Šulcu, mechaniķi Eduardu Lapovicu un kurinātāju Fēliksu Novicki un matrožus: Aleksandru Meijeri, Marģeru Bankovu, Kārli Šnīderu un Rīzi. Cughausa līķi, ievērojot viņa brāļa vēlēšanos, pārvedīs uz Latviju. [...]
Šķirsti vienkārši, bet skaisti, pārklāti ar Latvijas karogu. Latviešu jūrniekiem veltīti veseli 12 vaiņagi. Krāšņākais no sūtniecības, ar svaigiem ziediem un mūsu nacionālām krāsām. Saliņas kapsēta, kurā guldīs mirušos latviešu jūrniekus, ir skaistā, klusā vietā. Visapkārt tai jūra. Paredzēts traģiskā nāvē bojā gājušiem latviešu jūrniekiem celt arī pieminekli. Bēru ceremonijā kā Latvijas pārstāvis piedalīsies konsuls Maršals. Bez viņa būs klāt arī divi izglābušies latviešu jūrnieki un daudz vietējo iedzīvotāju. Pie kapa paredzēts īss dievkalpojums. Tad šķirstus, segtus ar Latvijas karogu, guldīs skotu smiltīs. Tanī pašā laikā saliņai garām brauks Latvijas tvaikonis «Amata» uz Bleitas ostu, kur uzņems Cughausa līķi, no gādāšanai uz dzimteni (Sākumā bija domāts to uzņemt Obanas ostā, kur līķis pašlaik atrodas, bet pēdējā acumirkli nolemts to uzņemt Bleitā. Tāpēc šķirstu novedīs pa dzelzceļu uz Bleitu). Šķirsts jau slēgts, arī uz tā Latvijas karogs un daudz ziedu. Izvadīšanas ceremonijā otrdien, paredzams, sapulcēsies daudz vietējo iedzīvotāju. Kā tagad noskaidrots, uz nogrimušā kuģa «Helēna Faulbaums» sākumā bijuši 20 jūrnieku. Tā kā bojā aizgājuši 15 un izglābušies 4, tad vēl iztrūka viena. Tagad izrādās, ka tas bijis matrozis Bauers, kas atstājis kuģi pirms tā aiziešanas no Liverpūles un tādā kārtā palicis dzīvs.

Today 7 Latvian sailors are buried on Scottish soil
(By telephone from our correspondent in London.)
London, November 2nd. The funeral for the Latvian sailors, who tragically perished, will start today at 12:00 on the quiet islet of Cullipool ["Kulipulu" – my edit]. Only 7 of the discovered victims of the catastrophe will be buried in the Scottish sands: radiotelegrapher Šulcs, mechanic Eduards Lapovics, stoker Fēlikss Novickis and sailors [matroži, also Seamen]: Aleksandrs Meijers [Meijeris?], Marģers Bankovs, Kārlis Šnīders and Rīze [a surname]. The body of Cughauss will be repatriated to Latvia as per the wishes of his brother. [...]
The coffins are simple yet beautiful and draped in Latvian flags. 12 wreaths have been dedicated to the Latvian sailors. The most opulent one - from the [Latvian] embassy, with fresh flowers and our national colors. The cemetery of the islet, where the dead Latvian sailors will be buried, is located in a magnificent and tranquil place. It's surrounded by the sea. It's also planned to build a monument to the sailors. The Latvian representative at the funeral ceremony will be Consul [in Glasgow] Marshall. Also, two of the rescued Latvian sailors and many local inhabitants will be besides him. A small service is planned at the grave. After that, the coffins, draped in Latvian flags, will be laid to rest in the Scottish sand. At the same time the islet will be passed by the Latvian steamer Amata on route to Port Blythe [Bleita] where the body of Cughauss will be loaded on the ship for repatriation to his homeland. (Initially it was planned to load it at Port Oban, where it lays now, but at the last minute it was decided to load it in Blythe, to which it will be brought by train). The casket has already been closed, it's been draped with the Latvian flag and many flowers. It is likely that many locals will gather at the farewell ceremony on Tuesday. As it has been discovered, initially there were 20 sailors on the Helēna Faulbaums. As 15 perished and 4 were saved, one was still missing. Now it has turned out that it was Seaman Bauers, who had stayed alive by leaving the ship before its departure from Liverpool.

So yes, it seems you are right, as I might have mixed up something or screwed up my maths. Thanks for your vigilance! P.S. I will also update the link to the article with one which will set the LNB Periodika reader interface to English. Also, this article from the magazine Jūrnieks ("Sailor") has an extensive article about the funeral and illustrated eulogies to many of the perished, which you might find interesting.
--Ivario (talk) 16:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies in return for your long wait - & many thanks for taking the time to do all this. I am still very busy in the real world but I hope to take a proper look at all this very soon. Ben MacDui 13:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have now copied most of the above to the talk page of Belnahua - ideally it could do with a sub-page all to itself but I have never seen such a thing and in any case the talk page isn't otherwise very busy. At some point in the foreseeable future I want to upgrade the Luing article and if you could provide some instructions so that I can get a translation of the Jūrnieks article that would be helpful. Thanks again. Ben MacDui 13:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good to hear! I think I can provide you with the translation myself (I can give you my Discord or an e-mail address) or you can also ask some translators on Reddit (I know of a similar case) or the Latvian Learning Discord (discord.gg /KnczVb). Just let me know. Ivario (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have an email link from my user page if you are willing. Ben MacDui 13:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am, but I can't seem to find it on your page.. Ivario (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It should be on the far left. There are a series of boxes - navigate, search, contribute, tools. It is about five down under 'tools'. Ben MacDui 17:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, done! --Ivario (talk) 13:10, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the email- I'd be very happy to get the extra info - is email the best way to send it? If not, let me know. Ben MacDui 11:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It may take me some time to respond since that is not my primary inbox, but yes! Ivario (talk) 20:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I saw you added a lot of extra info to Riga neighbourhood articles, including infoboxes. I think you probably copied the infobox format from the existing article(s). They were using flags in infoboxes, and English Wikipedia doesn't do those (anymore) per MOS:FLAGINFOBOX. I fixed/removed them from all the suburb articles now. Just letting you know if you plan to add more infoboxes. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for reminding me of this issue. I do, however, see this sentence: "Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes." So doesn't this apply to that? I think that these two small flags don't distract much from the content of the neighbourhood articles, since a large number of these are just stubs with a few sentences. Ivario (talk) 17:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It does apply if we want it to. (As far as I know, this comes from historic use of flags everywhere and having a zillion pages of various geographical administrative divisions with their specific flag layouts.) My interpretation is that if we are adding new ones, there usually isn't a good reason to add them. I personally agree with the intro of the FLAGINFOBOX that flags don't add anything to already-busy infoboxes and only subtract from clarity, even when they are for administrative divisions. The usual argument is that if it links to Latvia, then does a tiny 24px really make it any clearer unless you already know the flag? If anything, Latvia's maroon flag is really prominent. (It's the first thing you will probably notice in this reply.) Riga flag or coat of arms is something even many Rigans won't know, so the tiny icon is unlikely to help. I know most other language Wikipedias use flag icons, because they are basically kind of cool. I might be mistaken, but I believe most articles that have frequent editors don't have icons anymore. Since English Wikipedia has discussed every minute detail, I think most editors agree that icons only add redundancy and undue prominence to fields when there is a full text name already. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 18:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In this case it sounds a bit like an overreaction, and the claim of the flag/CoA of Riga being unknown to Rigans seems preposterous to me with it being used quite widely in the public space for quite some time (on municipal buildings, schools, busses, municipal police uniforms/cars, posters/visuals etc.). But fine, if it is such an eyesore, I will refrain from using the small flags for now. Ivario (talk) 12:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My point about recognition was that I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the world would not recognize Latvian flag, let alone a city flag. The articles aren't written for people from Riga. Something like WP:RF talks on the subject and how included information may or may not be be useful. I don't really feel strongly about this either. I just removed the flag from an article on my watchlist, but then clicked some others and they had it too and I ended up removing them from pretty much all neighbourhood articles. So I thought I would leave a note to you because you have edited/added many of them and I wanted to explain myself. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I have to admit that I haven't brushed up on all of the style manuals too, and if there are restrictions with asterisks involved, it can get confusing. I guess will still remain a passive advocate of flags in infoboxes for now :) Thanks for letting me know your thoughts. Ivario (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I tried to find anything about change of representing country about Pavel Tregubov, all I search is this, [Pavel V Tregubov - Top Chess Players], which I had added as a source reference.

Regarding the date March 2023, that Chess.com news [Former Women's World Champion Changes Federation From Russia To Switzerland] only mentioned about Wife Alexandra Kosteniuk transfer allegiance to Switzerland on March 2023. And her first marriage to Swiss citizen [Diego Garces] hence her Swiss 2nd citizenship (and remarried Pavel Tregubov in 2015) so March 2023 only related to her.
Since there's is no mention of the date Pavel Tregubov change to France, someone could "said" March 2023 is not that actual date he changed to play chess for France. (But he switching to France is proven with the addition of reliable source reference [WP:RELIABILITY]] from Chess News I just recently added)

Can I remove "March 2023"? (or someone would "dispute it")
Or where is that "March 2023" switching date come from?

Thanks. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 19:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I got the information from the Russian Wiki article. I dug around and found that a major Russian sports news portal, sports.ru, wrote in August 2023 that Tregubov started to represent France 'at the same time as Alexandra [Kosteniuk]' (Russian: Одновременно с Александрой за Францию начал выступать ее супруг Павел Трегубов (306-е место в мире), https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/allresp/3179572.html). This is quite murky, but seems to confirm my edit. I'll add this to the article as well. Ivario (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

oh I see...ru domain....becuase (if I'm not wrong) generally most of Russia media are state-owned so (at least imo) are propaganda...much like Mainland China CCP Communist propaganda.

I will try again to find exact date / excat details (albeit in English) as much as possible.

(to be upfront, (roughly) half of Chinese diaspora are not pro-CCP-PRC communist but are pro-ROC/Taiwan myself included, as for the other half well...... My source never use any cn/hk(post-2020) domain source or CCP-PRC source...becuase is still unreliable Communist propaganda.)

Thanks --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear colleague, I have noticed that you are simply removing text from the (possibly incorrect) redirects. While this indeed will cause someone else to look at the redirect, this is not a good way to deal with an issue, as the User:Somebody "Notme" Else is not always familiar with Latvian. If you know a better target for a redirect, simply put this target in. If you think that the redirect should not exist, use the deletion request at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Thank you in adavnce! Викидим (talk) 01:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, thank you for your concern. I did this for the sake of time and I will put in simple, one-sentence descriptions of these counties which I hopefully will be able to expand from the Latvian articles later. If you, User:Somebody "Notme" Else, are reading this, please take this into account. :) Ivario (talk) 02:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The situation for me as a WP:NPP member is a bit confusing, as technically this is no longer a redirect (and I do not want to revert your change). I will try to delete one of the blanked redirects using WP:PROD, and will see what the people with flags will say (they might not like my take, then I will be forced first to revert you change, then go WP:RFD). I will revert your change and go to WP:RFD. Regular deletion way is so much cleaner. Plus, you seem to know differences between administrative units and can explain it so much better. Викидим (talk) 02:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but can I still go ahead with my original plan on the one-sentence descriptions? Ivario (talk) 02:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, WP:BEBOLD. There are two easy ways for you: (1) Simply change the redirect into an article (keeping the Latvian title), (2) Create a new article with translated title ("... County"?) and change redirect to point to it. It is also possible to create an article first and then "move" it over the redirect using WP:MOR. Note that had you not blanked the page, such a move could have been performed by you (or me), but with two or more edits higher powers need to be summoned. Викидим (talk) 02:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, I guess I just bit the bullet in a way. I'd rather keep the Latvian article names as the base ones for the sake of consistency. Ivario (talk) 02:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since it looks like you know Latvian, note that there are no WP:RS in Liepāja District. Викидим (talk) 02:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I can tend to that on a later date as well than. Ivario (talk) 02:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contributions to Jēkabpils apriņķis. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The original sources at the moment are only in Latvian. Assuming that you don't read Latvian, don't you think that will render the article in permanent review limbo? Ivario (talk) 09:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One (or more) Latvian sources is better than the current unreferenced state. At least there is a chance that a reviewer who knows Latvian gets to the draft. Also, google translate is pretty good on a lot of languages. Hopefully, Latvian is one of them. Happy editing! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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