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Why do you insist on including absolute trivia in articles? E.g. on Raygun Lounge, why should we include the statement that they served beer or organised a trivia night? Fram (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fram I figured an overview of the venue should mention food/drink options and past events, all of which are mentioned in Wikipedia-appropriate sources. Seems like relevant info for me, but clearly you disagree. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:53, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Because we are an encyclopedia and not a repeater of routine local news coverage? Things which get mentioned in passing or announced at the time of happening are rarely good to be included in our articles, just like we don't include e.g. all appearances a politician makes at local events (even though they will be covered in local, reliable news). Pubs organize quizzes, happy hours, ... Should all this[1] get included? Or are we then just adding advertising as padding for our articles? A bar is not described by stating that they offer beer and wine, or by repeating the menu from a random date. If a bar is truly notable for their range of beers, then adding such a claim with source is of course relevant; but if a random local articles mentions that "bar X, which offers a wide range of beer, wine, and gin, organizes a Y tomorrow", then this is trivia, typical padding which is fine in such "journalism", but not here. Fram (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(shrug), Ok! I'm not going to fight to keep the content. Take care ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Apparently I'm not alone in my thinking since another editor has added back the content. You can continue this discussion on the article's talk page, if you wish. Thanks, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I will, as their argument is really rather far-fetched. Fram (talk) 15:44, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I respect your work, but I have listed my several questions on Talk:List of restaurants in Seattle. It would be good to write notabilty guidelines regarding restaurants. Xx236 (talk) 08:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@Xx236 Thanks, I've replied at Talk:List of restaurants in Seattle. Wikipedia's coverage of Seattle's restaurant scene is seriously lacking. Much work to do! (By the way, I've promoted approximately 50 articles about restaurants in Portland, Oregon to Good article status, if you're curious to poke around. Happy editing, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I noticed that you had responded to an off-topic post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. I have found it more helpful to revert those messages per WP:NOTAFORUM and warn the editor involved. Responding to requests only encourages more of same. I find Twinkle and other semi-automated tools to be of great help in this regard so that those of us longterm contributors can focus on contributing. Typing out a well-thought answer pointing to new editor to a better talk page is friendly and useful to them but it's not optimal for us, unless you just prefer being kind. I declined their draft, which is ultimately solving the problem. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I was just trying to be helpful. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

For an image to be non-free it has to meet the threshold of originality of the country where it was created. If it doesn't, then it can't be copyrighted. A file's Wikipedia license should of course reflect this. Please think about if a file really meets the TOO before you automatically mark it with a non-free license. For example File:The Triple Door logo.png probably doesn't even meet the TOO anywhere in the world and I hence retagged it with {{PD-simple}}. For files that are below the TOO in both the country where it is from and the US then licenses such as {{PD-simple}} (for non-logos or logos without text) and {{PD-textlogo}} (for logos with text) are good. For files that are above the TOO in the country where it's from, but below the TOO in the US, please use {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} and have the country where it's from as parameter 1, see for example File:Podravka logo.svg. If you don't know the TOO, often Commons has a good page, see c:COM:TOO US, c:COM:TOO UK, c:COM:TOO Sweden etc. If you're totally unsure then it's better to guess that it's non-free but just don't do it automatically please. Anyway, happy editing! Jonteemil (talk) 01:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm probably almost always going to upload business logos the same way, but thanks for the reminder! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

The same way = Mark it as non-free eventhough it might not be?Jonteemil (talk) 01:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Carlos Hank González (businessman), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Atlantic306 (talk) 22:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't my draft, but thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

The article Hilton Seattle has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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The article Gabriel Pascuzzi has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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The article Sara Hauman has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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A tag has been placed on Batterfish requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company, corporation or organization that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. A loose necktie (talk) 00:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

An article you recently created, Batterfish, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

The article on Batterfish, which still strikes me as an advertisement for this business, was moved to draft space by Liz, and you singlehandedly recreated it as a regular article, with no oversight and no one checking your work? Wow. You know how to make it happen. I guess there is no rule you are flouting by doing this (that I know of). Might have been more appropriate to recreate the article via the WP:AfC process, though. And why not? Because it is overburdened, backlogged, and might have resulted in the article being rejected? Maybe. All good reasons, no?

Just, wow. A loose necktie (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Woah, plus what you did with the prods placed by Wani on Sara Hauman and Gabriel Pascuzzi? And you live in Portland? Because I am getting a sense that you may have a conflict of interest here... Not that I think you are paid, only that it looks like you may be biased with regard to the articles you are creating and recreating. I can see you have a much longer and larger edit history than I do. I wonder what you are thinking. A loose necktie (talk) 20:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

You can think of the move back to the main space as a rejection of your speedy deletion nomination. Also, I've expanded the article further. If you feel strongly about deleting the article then you can go to AfD. Yes, I rejected the PRODs for SH and GP, too, which I'm allowed to do. Yes, I live in Portland, and no, I don't have a conflict of interest. I've not done anything wrong here, and if you have issues with any of the articles you can share comments on their respective talk pages. Thanks and happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, A loose necktie,

I was surprised by the move out of Draft space but implying some kind of paid editing or conflict-of-interest is out-of-line and could be construed as a personal attack. Another Believer is a very experienced editor and while I might disagree with some of their decisions, you must assume good faith. That's not an unreasonable request for an editor that has almost made half a million edits! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:31, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

You deleted the Rosa Parks statue from the National Statuary Hall template despite it being part of the collection and a donation by Congress to all fifty states...? Do your research, kemosabe. Editors like you who assume they're always right even when they're blatantly wrong is part of why this website is going down the crapper.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.31.201.105 (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

lol, this specifically says, "... the Rosa Parks statue is not a part of the National Statuary Hall Collection". Try again. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Gabriel Pascuzzi is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel Pascuzzi until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Sigh... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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• An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
• An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

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• The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
• Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

• The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

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• You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
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I notice that you have not been informed of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alcoa House (Portland, Oregon).

Draft:Alcoa Care-free Homes has been created. A redirect/merge of Alcoa House (Portland, Oregon) would be appropriate if the article actually existed. Would you mind taking a look and adding what you can? Thanks.Djflem (talk) 10:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Nah, but thanks for the heads up! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sigh... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Did you even try to look for sources? I found several very quickly, including multiple books with coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sara Hauman is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Sigh... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi,

So I am yet still, new, in Wikipedia. But, I just wanted people to know that there’s a draft for Drag Race Mexico. Whenever I create a draft for Wikipedia, there’s someone who created in the mainspace and my draft article just ends up useless. How can I let people know there’s a draft? JuanGLP (talk) 23:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@JuanGLP Thanks for the note! You could post a link to the draft at Talk:Drag Race Mexico, but mostly you'll just want to be proactive about continuing to improve the draft and move into main space once there's enough sourcing to justify a new entry in the main space. In the meantime, editors might search for "Drag Race Mexico" in the main space and they should be directed to the most relevant article there (Drag Race (franchise)) instead of the draft space. You might also consider joining and watchlisting Wikipedia:WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race -- we are an active group of editors who discuss and collaborate on articles related to the series. I hope this helps. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Yep no problem! Thank you! JuanGLP (talk) 23:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Bolivia Carmichaels you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 13:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why you don't review at GA, if you don't mind me asking. You're a very experienced editor, and a capable writer, and Bolivia Carmichaels is going to be your 150th GA, according to your userpage. Any reason you don't review? There's always a backlog there, after all, and it's nice to contribute resources as well as use them. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie Thanks again for your help. Yes, I probably should review Good article nominations now and then, but truth be told I enjoy creating content much more than reviewing content created by others. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

By the way, if you are interested, Flawless Shade should be a very similar review. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I might review it if someone else doesn't get there first, but probably not for a day or two. Please do consider doing reviews -- I don't think any editor likes reviewing as much as they like creating content, and since there are plenty of editors who wouldn't make very good reviewers, those with the requisite skills can really help out. Anyway, congrats on the GA, and I may see you again if I pick up another of your nominations. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

If you sincerely believe that the Category:Public art in Austin, Texas is a duplicate of Category:Outdoor sculptures in Austin, Texas, then you should merge the two categories.BuffaloBob (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@BuffaloBob: Hello! I didn't say the categories are duplicates. I said Category:Outdoor sculptures in Austin, Texas is a subcategory of Category:Public art in Austin, Texas, therefore the latter does not need to be applied to the article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks for all you do for WikipediaBuffaloBob (talk) 00:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

@BuffaloBob No prob, same to you! Happy editing, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sigh... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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• The impact report on the effects of disabling IP editing on the Persian (Farsi) Wikipedia has been released.
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Arbitration

• An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
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The fourth round of the WikiCup has now finished. 383 points were required to reach the final, and the new round has got off to a flying start with all finalists already scoring. In round 4, Bloom6132 with 939 points was the highest points-scorer, with a combination of DYKs and In the news items, followed by BennyOnTheLoose, Sammi Brie and Lee Vilenski. The points of all contestants are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

At this stage, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For the remaining competitors, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them, and importantly, before the deadline on October 31st!

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Hello Another Believer:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Editathon event in October 2022!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2022, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event – Wildcard Edition! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to any and all women and women's works during the event period. Want to improve an article about a Bollywood actress? Go for it. A pioneering female scientist? Absolutely. An award-winning autobiography by a woman? Yes! GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to receive a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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I see that you have already found the review, and commented there. I have also informed everyone else who participated in the deletion discussion, except two indef-blocked accounts and an IP address which last edited two years ago, in case they would like to contribute to the deletion review. The instructions for deletion review tell one to inform whoever closed the discussion, but I don't see why other participants shouldn't know about it too. JBW (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@JBW Wonderful, thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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The article Napoleon Jinnies has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Lacks notability.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2022).

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Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, consensus was found that if the rationale for a block depends on information that is not available to all administrators, that information should be sent to the Arbitration Committee, a checkuser or an oversighter for action (as applicable, per ArbCom's recent updated guidance) instead of the administrator making the block.
• Following an RfC, consensus has been found that, in the context of politics and science, the reliability of FoxNews.com is unclear and that additional considerations apply to its use.
• Community comment on the revised Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines is requested until 8 October.

Technical news

• The Articles for creation helper script now automatically recognises administrator accounts which means your name does not need to be listed at WP:AFCP to help out. If you wish to help out at AFC, enable AFCH by navigating to Preferences → Gadgets and checking the "Yet Another AfC Helper Script" box.

Arbitration

• Remedy 8.1 of the Muhammad images case will be rescinded 1 November following a motion.
• A modification to the deletion RfC remedy in the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been made to reaffirm the independence of the RfC and allow the moderators to split the RfC in two.
• The second phase of the 2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review closes 3 October.

Miscellaneous

• An administrator's account was recently compromised. Administrators are encouraged to check that their passwords are secure, and reminded that ArbCom reserves the right to not restore adminship in cases of poor account security. You can also use two-factor authentication (2FA) to provide an extra level of security.
• Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections open 2 October and close 8 October.
• You are invited to comment on candidates in the 2022 CUOS appointments process.
• An RfC is open to discuss whether to make Vector 2022 the default skin on desktop.
• Tech tip: You can do a fuzzy search of all deleted page titles at Special:Undelete.

While WP:BANREVERT allows for the restoration of edits made by banned editors, you need to have independent reasons for doing so (it's not a "vote") and you are taking full responsibility for the entirety of the content being restored. This globally-banned sockmaster has a history of adding unsourced and poorly sourced material, including blatant BLP violations, into articles, so you need to check every piece of information in the article to ensure that it is supported by a source meeting WP:RS. In addition, encouraging and supporting this sockmaster, who has made numerous threats of harm against multiple editors, is totally on you. If you believe there should be an article on any of the redirects I've reverted, Wikipedia would be better served if you wrote it yourself instead of supporting an abusive banned editor.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the BLP details are well supported by reliable sources and I have added a couple more just to be sure. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC) (tps)

Awesome; I'm sure the abusive sock will be absolutely thrilled by your support and assistance. -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Now who's making an abusive environment? I was just here to "ensure that it is supported by a source meeting WP:RS" like you suggested. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ponyo: I'm focusing on the content, not the editor behavior. @Bri: Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The article Disney Fab 50 Character Collection has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Few reliable sources in the article, nothing found via WP:BEFORE.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Hippo Hardware and Trading Company requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company, corporation or organization that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Persia ☘ 17:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Hippo Hardware and Trading Company. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. Bbb23 (talk) 17:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Yup! My bad. I've addressed this at Talk:Hippo Hardware and Trading Company. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hippo Hardware and Trading Company is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hippo Hardware and Trading Company until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

You knew this was coming, as you mentioned it in one of your edit comments. I actually hope you survive this. UtherSRG (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

<sarcasm>Thanks for giving me time to improve after restoration before flagging for deletion.</sarcasm> ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

At least AFD takes some time. Making a few good quick improvements may help you show enough to retain the article. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:46, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: I'd like to think I've already expanded enough to clearly demonstrate notability. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Quite possibly. I wrote that before seeing you'd done that work. My attention has been focused elsewhere since then. UtherSRG (talk) 22:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

PS. I like your use of "Extended content" hides to keep things tidy here. UtherSRG (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Certainly helps me keep things organized. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:19, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh! I just realized that when JBW undeleted the article, they hadn't removed the Speedy Deletion request. I thought the request was new, not a remnant of the un-deletion. Oh crud! Had I realized that, I wouldn't have sent it to AfD. My apologies. Hrm. Lemme check to see if it's "legal" for me to remove it from AfD. UtherSRG (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Indeed it is legal. And done. Happy Hippo? - UtherSRG (talk) 22:48, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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The article St. Anne's Chapel (Marylhurst University) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Notability not established with substantive sources: both sources are non-independent from marylhurst.edu with timelines that merely say "1968 Shoen Library and St. Anne's Chapel erected" and "1968 Construction of Shoen Library and St. Anne’s Chapel is completed". Where's the substantive coverage? Do you think GNG doesn't apply to you?

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Reywas92^Talk 18:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Please wikipwdia is based on the sources. An Italian user (who on wikipedia italia declares to come from Rome) is changing all the biographies and eliminating the official sources. Curiously, the user writes that the drag comes from Rome. This is localism. The program's official sources and online videos state more (and it's verifiable online 151.57.23.14 (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Please discuss changes to the article on the Talk page, instead of going back and forth with other editors. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

the user does not want to argue because he removes the official source with the information. That is the question. This is a vandalism--151.57.23.14 (talk) 18:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to discuss this further or work to determine which of you is correct. I'm just saying, if you continue edit warring instead of discussing on the Talk page, you might end up getting blocked. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Not my intention to wage war of modifications. I am defending wikipedia in English (from obvious very questionable interventions based on the wikipedia guidelines) Please can you communicate the problem to the user because he does not seem to understand his personal point (pov).--151.57.23.14 (talk) 19:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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