Template:Did you know nominations/Hirbemerdon Tepe

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hirbemerdon Tepe

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  • ... that the site of Hirbemerdon Tepe was initially inhabited in the Chalcolithic and continued to be populated until the Ottoman Empire? Source: Nicola, Laneri; Schwartz, Mark; Stefano, Valentini; Stefno D'Agostino, Anacleto; Nannucci, Simone (2009), "The Hirbemerdon Tepe Archaeological Project", Ancient Near Eastern Studies, 46: 212=276, doi:10.2143/ANES.46.0.2040717.

Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 12:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hirbemerdon Tepe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Article is new enough and more than long enough.
  • The article is presentable
  • There are a few issues with referencing:
  1. The hook citation does not mention the Ottoman Empire. Furthermore, a preliminary skimming of the article cited does not seem to give a recent history of the site past the Bronze Age. A quote or page citation would be helpful in verifying the claim; I'm not keen on reading the entire article. (as a note, the citation in its late history section is a different one than associated with the hook - perhaps that is where the information is being drawn from?)
  2. The Wikipedia article has several citation needed tags and several uncited paragraphs. These unverifiable claims should be cited or removed before the DYK is approved.
  • The hook is interesting, but is rather vague. If the sources support more detail, like an actual year range, that would be more helpful in my opinion. The Ottoman Empire was around for 600 or so years and the Chalcolithic lasted an indeterminate but probably thousand-year-long span, which means this site's longevity could vary widely based on the hook's information.
  • QPQ is done.

Once referencing issues are addressed and a look is given to the hook, article should be good to go for promotion. Fritzmann (message me) 12:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Fritzmann2002: I have added citations to all of the uncited claims. Also, you were correct the source cited in the nom is not the same source used to draw information about the Ottoman period. Here is the correct citation I used: Laneri, Nicola (2016). Hirbemerdon Tepe Archaeological Project 2003-2013 Final Report: Chronology and Material Culture. BraDypUS. ISBN 978-88-98392-32-2. The information can be found in Chapter 8, on pages 107-110. One quote from this source which verifies that the cite was inhabited during the Ottoman period is: "Several Ottoman finds of particular interest are able to further confirm the Ottoman nature of Phase VII." This quote can be found on page 110. Graearms (talk) 13:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
To address your concerns about the hook I would propose: ** ALT2: ... that the site of Hirbemerdon Tepe may have been inhabited from the 4th Millennium BCE to the 11th or 13th Centuries CE? Source: Laneri, Nicola (2016). Hirbemerdon Tepe Archaeological Project 2003-2013 Final Report: Chronology and Material Culture. BraDypUS. ISBN 978-88-98392-32-2. Schwartz, Mark (2012-01-01), "Hirbemerdon Tepe: A Middle Bronze Age Site in the Upper Tigris River Valley", Studien zur Urbanisierung Nordmesopotamiens Graearms (talk) 14:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
I think that either the primary hook or some variation of ALT2 would be fine to run. Thank you for double checking the referencing, it looks great now. Approving the nomination. Fritzmann (message me) 18:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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