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Warsaw is a MOST impressive re-building. Is it true that the historic center was restored not only on the basis of photographs but also using 18th century city-scape paintings? I was told that in Warsaw by tour guides (who of course are not to be trusted - we're all much too glib) and by one art historian. --MichaelTinkler

All the above is true. The re-building might be impressive, though it sometimes gives me the impression that historic center is _fake_. --WojPob

First, we should look at the reconstruction as a positive thing, a noble act against the backdrop of Nazi and Soviet savagery. Second, most historic buildings are remodeled, gutted and reconstructed so many times over the course of history, that they can all be deemed "fake". Also, Michael, about not trusting tour guides, Poles are probably less inclined (in a bad way) to "brag" about their stuff, so if a tour guide is saying something in a good light, then its probably true. I call it the Polish complex :). Also, I agree with your statement below completely. I believe that Warsaw should do all that is possible to work towards reconstructing the prewar city, use unused land (like that gigantic plot near Plac Zawiszy) for constructing a "skyscraper" center. -- Sven Stroms

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hmm. you mean what we professionally call 'inauthentic', an extremely problematic situation. Art historians are famous for dismissing reconstruction, but for not being able to recognize it without technical experts. I met the man who runs the workshop that handles all the marble on the exterior of the Duomo (cathedral) in Florence, Italy. He says that he hasn't run across a piece of stone older than the 18th century. It's skin is not 15th century (oh, and I don't mean the 19th century facade that's opposite the baptistery, I mean the flanks and apse, which are supposed to be earlier). I wonder if most people would get that impression if they didn't know the story? --MichaelTinkler

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My friend use to say, that the best thing in Warsaw is Intercity train to Krakow. Whenever i see "Warsaw" i feel that urge to talk about Palace of Culture (new uknown word was liked by Warsawians) and famous letter which argued that capital of Poland should be moved to Gdansk. szopen

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I have been comparing what i recall from visits to Warsaw to the pics on this page. And even though there are some historical buildings, it is plain misleading to promote Warsaw as a 100% "old city" with 20 pics of "old" buildings, and none of some of the more grey communist style building. I believe that there should be a more balanced view on this, and not try to make the article into a tourist propaganda leaflet, with a classical estethical view. Any comments on this? -- Alex

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I'd like to add something that I've learnt about Warsaw while studying architecture and more specifically 'Heritage Preservation'. Reconstructing Warsaw's Old Town has benefited the buildings sanitation. Moreover, Warsaw has one of the best sewage systems a city can have, in the world.

I will be in Warsaw from 25th - 28th February if any Warsovian Wikipedians feel like meeting up (my email address is at sjc).

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i guess not many Warsovians here. Sjc, came to Poznan. We have less traffic, less crime, and, what's most delighting, less varsovians.szopen

-> Szopen, tragically in Poznań you have MORE crime per capita... And btw, your anti-Warsaw posts lack the lightness and wit of Pidżama Porno's songs or Peja's rap and generally they just give YOU a bad name :P —Precedingunsigned comment added by 87.205.150.49 (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe so, but I'll be working so I won't be able to get away to Poznan, alas. sjc

Too bad I didn't noticed this page before... I was born in Warsaw, live in Warsaw, love my city and I'm proud of it. No matter what guys fromGalicia say, Warsaw is definitely a place to visit. Halibutt

Is it just my impression or is szopen putting way too much of his personal bias against Warsaw and its inhabitants into this discussion? I know Warsaw quite well and let me assure you that the city itself is worth a prolonged stay. Being the political, cultural and economic centre of Poland, Warsaw has incredibly much to offer. septemberunderground

-- I'm a 100% Warsawer, I was born here and here I've spent almost 100% of my life. Ish_warsaw

The history of Warsaw began before 1861, no? john 08:26 24 May 2003 (UTC)

I'm working on a new version of this page here: User:Halibutt/Warsaw. I'd appreciate any help from you. Halibutt 01:20, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

On the Warsaw's wikipedia page, population is given as 2,269,000. I don't know where this data is taken from as I can't find any source that would confirm it. Actually, all the sources I checked give a number closer to 1,700,000.

On the official website of Warsaw in Polish language you can find population data for every separate district: http://um.warszawa.pl/v_syrenka/liczby/02.htm Overall, according to the website, Warsaw has 1,707,400 inhabitants.

Information on the English version of the official website is slightly out-of-date though. It provides the following numbers: Inhabitants- 1,63 million Inhabitants with suburbs -2,5 million

Apparently the value of 2,269,000 is with some suburbs included. But it is important to understand that there exists no unambigous criteria for determining which towns that surround Warsaw should be included in the sum and which should not. It is just an approximate number and definitely it shouldn't be called "population of Warsaw" as it is now in wikipedia.

Moreover, it seems that in the Historical Population table the number from 1990 is given without the suburbs (1990: 1,611,800), whereas the number from 2003 is given with surburbs included (2003: 2,269,000). I wonder why no one noticed that within 13 years population magically grew by over 600,000 people even though within previous decades it was growing by approximately 100,000 every 10 years :)

I suggest that the person responsible for the website confirms the number in the Municipal Office. The telephone numbers and e-mail addresses are given here (in English): http://www.e-warsaw.pl/ratusz/adres.htm

Keep up the good work with wikipedia!

Bye AK

You're right, since 1990 the population of Warsaw grew significantly. It was possible mostly due to the fact that many of the suburbs were swallowed recently (Białołęka, Wawer, Rembertów) and the sleeping areas (Ursynów, Bemowo) grew significantly.Halibutt 07:12, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

In the population section: there was a sentence about the amount of vietnamese people living in Warsaw. I deleted it as it seems not to make any sense without more detailed figures of other ethnic minorities in Warsaw. Thereby no source was given. Mikkip (20th August 2007)

I'm attempting to amass population data for cities all over the world for roughly the past 200 years. The United Nation's has a nice publication of populations urban agglomerations around the world going back to 1950:http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/WUP2005/2005WUP_DataTables12.pdf The wikipedia stats are close enough. Can anyone clarify where the Pre-1937 population statistics quoted in this article come from? There seems to be a rather big discrepancy with these statistics and those found on www.populstat.info. Thanks —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 216.165.95.70 (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I've recently stumbled upon an account in which a soldier of the 1939 Defence War describes that the barricade he fough on was made of a broken trolleybus. This would mean that there were trolleybusses in Warsaw before WWII. Could anyone add some info or at least point me to some good source? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 00:40, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

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"Following the Warsaw Act (Ustawa warszawska) of October 27, 2002 the head of the City Council is the president of Warsaw"

The posts of President of Warsaw and Chairman of the City Council are separate. The chairman is just one of the councilors - chosen by them and from among them. Such is the case in every city, Warsaw is not an exepction. Current chairman is Jan Maria Jackowski. user:Myszodorn 18 Dec 2004

VOTING for WARSCHAU or Warsaw <-- That page is a vote to decide the usage of the name of Warschau/Warsaw--Schlesier 08:27, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Invitation to voting on a subpage to a user page!

;->>

--Ruhrjung 21:02, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

There is no need for that... i've mostly heard warsaw instead of warschau, and warsaw is easier to say.r9tgokunks 03:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the Warsaw City Council should be the institution we shoild listen to as far as naming is concerned. And they always use Warsaw in English language materials, while Warschau is used in German language materials (and I think Dutch). —Precedingunsigned comment added by 87.205.80.156 (talk) 17:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Since When do Poles tell native English speakers like me that I have to use 'Slavic Polish' in order to name places in Poland? The English language has its own variants of place names across the entire world and not just Poland. Warsaw is indeed Warsaw in the English language. We have our OWN names for places and will not be told that we have to use 'Slavic language' names that are NOT Phonetic to the English tongue. Shame on these 'extremist' Nationalistic Poles for your Arrogance in this regard. This message is for the cool Poles who understand the history of the 'English language'.. Stay Cool.. —Preceding unsigned comment added byFilsdegilbert (talk • contribs) 20:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Who exactly says anything about Slavic names? Xx236 (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I know right? Why the aggresiveness? There isn't anything here about anyone forcing native English speakers to use Slavic names when referring to Polish places. Warschau first of all is a german name, so why are you accusing people of being nationalistic poles? You seem rather 'nationalistic' yourself.

Hi, I have some pictures of Warsaw (took them when I visited the town in april 2005)

they are now available at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Deep750

There are many very grand and beautiful images in this article. In fact, there are too many! I will remove a couple of duplicates, but please, let someone more familiar with the city than I am remove a few more. NatusRoma 19:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed some pictures. I also threw out the image of Saxonian Garden from 1900, since it pictured the Russian church which denizens of Warsaw hated so much that they pulled it down as soon as Poland gained independence. No reason to use it as a symbol of Warsaw now.--SylwiaS | talk 14:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

There are still too many images in the article. I just had to remove one, because there was not enough text to support it -- it was spilling over, overlapping a template. Worse, nearly all of the included images depict palaces, etc. Isn't this a bit phony? Surely a more representative depiction of the city is warranted in an encyclopedia -- Wikipedia is not a tourist/propaganda brochure. As a native Varsovian, I share the pride in the city, and I realize the precious nature of its reconstructions. Just the same, let's have a little bit of detachment and objectivity is image selection here and in describing Warsaw to the world. --Mareklug ^talk 10:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Still too many. Particularly in the 'Transport' section, images which have nothing to do with transport. They only pad the page unnecessarily. Move them to Wiki Commons, or whatever. Or I'll delete them....
Jotel 07:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

hai guys,

just to mention it; the CoA you have in the article is different to the one of the offical website http://um.warszawa.pl/index.php (very small on the left) and as well different to the one on BIP http://www.bip.warszawa.pl/ ....Sicherlich ^Post 08:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The CoA is the same, only the one used here is additionally decorated with the Virtuti Militari order. Warsaw received the order, so I think it's ok to use it.--SylwiaS | talk 14:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

See Coat of Arms of Warsaw for details, all is there. //Halibutt10:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the Royal castle? Ksenon 16:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Famous football (soccer) players from Poland

• Jacek Krzynowek, Poland's star football player
• Pawel Janas, Polish football coach
• Grzegorz Lato, Former Polish football player
• Frankowski's, Present Polish star player
• Poland's Ernst, Football player who scored 4 goals aginst Brazil
• Jerzy Dudek (Liverpool); Tomasz Kuszczak (West Bromwich Albion); Jacek Bak (RC Lens), Michal Zewlakow (Anderlecht Brussels), Tomasz Rzasa (SC Heerenveen), Bartosz Bosacki (FC Nurnberg), Tomasz Hajto (FC Nurnberg); Mariusz Lewandowski (Shakhtar Donetsk), Jacek Krzynowek (Bayer Leverkusen), Kamil Kosowski (FC Kaiserslautern), Arkadiusz Radomski (SC Heerenveen); Andrzej Niedzielan (NEC Nijmegen), Grzegorz Rasiak (Derby County) are all football players from Poland
• [[Jerzy Dudek], Polish goalkeeper

I've cleaned up this section, but wonder whether it really deserves this kinbd of prominence at this point in the article. Overall, I feel it's a rather trivial aspect of Warsaw's history. Thoughts? Delete? Move to bottom? Vivaverdi 22:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• No, of course not, esp. since that this list has nothing (or next to nothing) in common with Warsaw. agnus 15:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Then we have two votes for removal; I'll go ahead and do that.

Vivaverdi 16:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This statement is generally true, but there were no Home Army fighters in Warsaw 1945. Later rather the UB persecuted them. Something should be corrected. Xx236 08:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Not true entirely. There were Home Army fighters on the right bank of Vistula (Praga) in 1944-45 when Red Army took over this part. My grandpa was one of them... it's a fact.

The history is getting rather long, I'd recommend creation of the subarticle. At the same time I'd suggest adding some inlince citations and DYKing the new article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Regarding the Ghetto section, the sentence "When the fighting ended, the survivors were massacred." is awkward. If they were massacred, they weren't survivors. Also, when you look at the detail article on Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, you find that a number of people escaped the ghetto and went on to fight in the Warsaw uprising and in Israel. For this reason, I recommend this sentence be altered to "When the fighting ended, anyone who hadn't escaped the Ghetto was massacred."74.93.79.118 22:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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I asked for a citation on the "Stalin ordered his troops to stop outside Warsaw" statement. This is a source of controversy. The Russians claim they were at the end of their supply tether and their troops were exhausted. A more neutral statement would be, "The Soviet advance on Warsaw was halted outside the city." Remark knights (talk) 22:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

There are a large number of external links in this article which go to sites that do not appear to source or confirm anything in the article. Per WP:EL, external links should only be used in order to link to material which sources article content, and generally not to such sites as image galleries. Seraphimblade 17:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

"The fans of both clubs are in the permanent hostility. On the Warsaw Derby they're often going to mixing-up. But odds are rather unevens: very greater part of Warsaw roots with love and loyalty to Legia. There is so meagre group of Polonia fans." Seriously, this is just too embarrassing! I find it advisable to remove it as soon as possible.

In the Geography section, the word "straddles" links to an inappropriate article. We could link it to "straddle" in Wictionary, but it seems to me that "straddle" is well known and maybe we should just delete the link.Peter Chastain (talk) 02:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

In Polish cities with more then 100,000 inhabitants the head of city is president, not mayor! See: President of Warsaw, Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz. OTB 23:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You are wrong. With more than 50,000 inhabitants. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by212.244.19.44 (talk) 12:51, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

pl:wikipedysta:Radomil

This Wikipedian erases all articles does not please him. 83.23.48.13 20:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Proof is here:

pl:Wikipedia:SDU/Zabytki romańskie w Polsce

The South Prussia article states that Warsaw was located in that province (administration presumably based on[1]), and the New East Prussia article states that province's capital was Białystok. However, de:Neuostpreußen states that Warsaw was the capital of New East Prussia, which matches some internet maps ([2][3][4]) and some of my atlases. Did Prussian provincial borders change from 1795-1807 (suggested by [5])? Olessi 06:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe that many soldiers joined the Polish-Soviet army. The terror was more selective than stated here.Xx236 08:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Could someone knowledgeable add the etymology behind Warszawa? Olessi 17:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Warszawa, oryginally Warszewa, means owned by Warsz. A legendary version is that there was a fisherman Wars and his wife Sawa, hence logosWars and Sawa.Xx236 10:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I created an Etymology section listing this information. Olessi 20:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The ending -ava is typical ending of Baltic toponymy (Daugava, Abava, Krāslava, Maskava (Moscow) etc.), so the proposed etymology about Wars and Sawa is only a fairy-tale. Really, Varsava is made from vars- 'above, over' (Latvian:virs 'above, over', Old Curonian: varsūne 'top, peak'), so Varsava 'upper/top/main city, city on a hill/upland'. Roberts7 17:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added byRoberts7 (talk • contribs)

Warszawa was founded and named by a group of Polish settlers from Toruń in the 13 or 14 century, so its name can't be composed from Latvian or other Baltic roots. Besides, the original form of the name was "Warszewa" or "Warszowa" meaning "owned by Warsz" (a Polish knight) asXx236 pointed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.208.236 (talk) 03:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

• Panorama Warszawy

Is the fact that some obscure institution named Warsaw "gamma world city" eight years ago so important to place it in second sentence of this article? 62.179.74.97 18:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What's your problem, man?

Why is this city so weird?

...and yours?

Well, I think it's weird too. Mostly it's the fault of Hitler and his systematic destruction of the town in 1944, oh and the fact that nearly all the intelligensia (ie anyone who would willingly spend his/her spare time reading a book) were wiped out in the Warsaw Rising of 1944 and subsequent Nazi backlash. From 1945 onwards the city was repopulated by countryfolk (aka peasants), with no experience of city life; thus Poles like to joke, Warsaw is the biggest village (in the derogatory sense) in Poland. So in conclusion, Warsaw's not really a city at all, and certainly doesn't feel like one if you have any experience of cities in the West (or even Budapest, Riga and Prague).87.96.22.165 (talk) 22:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Woofgrrr

Nearly all of of the "History of Warsaw" section was nearly copied verbatim from http://www.luketravels.com/warsaw/history.htm (some bits of the original were omitted, but nearly every sentence was a word-for-word copy of the original), so I havedeleted all the copyvio text, and I'm sorry to say that there is now almost nothing left in that section. I will now look to see if I can find a previous version of this section which was not a copyvio. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

We need to look more carefully at this. Looking back through the history of the page, I found that this material has slowly evolved over time since a big chunk of it was added wholesale about 4 years ago: [6]. Much of the text is the same as then, but on my brief examination it looks like a lot of subsequent minor changes have been made to that text and incorporated into the other site, which leads me to believe that the "luketravels.com" site ripped off Wikipedia rather than the other way around. Mangojuice^talk 04:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I've found roughly the same thing - the history section appears to have grown over time. Luke's site acts pretty flaky on the waybackmachine, but I can see there was an update for the warsaw related information earlier this year. Still looking. Kuru ^talk 04:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Having checked the article's history at length, I reached the same conclusion, but was too tired to finish my post here before I went to bed. I am now nearly certain that the copyvio was from wikipedia to Luke's.

First, I started checking back through the history of the Warsaw article as Mangouice did, and reached the same conclusion: that the wikipedia text has evolved steadily over the last four years. To my mind, that pointed to WP probably being the original, but I wasn't sure, so I checked from the other angle.

The http headers of http://www.luketravels.com/warsaw/history.htm show a creation date of 03 July 2007 04:56:57. I would usually see that date as a last-revised date rather than a creation date, but having checked the waybackmachine I find that while much of Luke's site has been archived there since 2002, the Warsaw/History page is not archived at all. Since notes on the wayback site say that pages don't usually show up in their archives for about 6 months, I concluded that http://www.luketravels.com/warsaw/history.htm was probably created sometime up to 2 months before 03 July 2007. To test this theory, I checked back through the wikipedia versions preceding that date, and as I proceed backwards I found the minor textual differences receding until I reached this version of 4 June 2007, which seems to me to be an exact match for most of Luke's version (Luke has added extra paras near the end, the but the first dozen or so paras are identical).

On this basis, I'm about as certain as I can be that the copying was done from wikipedia to Luke's, and that on this basis, the text ofWarsaw#History should be reverted to the version before I removed the apparent copyvio: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Warsaw&oldid=177618180

Is that OK with everyone else? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. Actually, this article is pretty long, it might make sense to fork that section out to a subarticle, perWP:SUMMARY. Mangojuice^talk 22:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what was suggested further up in the page, and it is in part what Kitia was trying to do ... but it does require that a summary be written to go in this article. Merely copying the content to a separate article is just a content fork.

Anyway, since there is one voice in favour and none against, I will now restore the deleted text. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 02:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

"In 1941 the present colours of the cars were introduced (yellow and red, in the Flag of Warsaw colours. Up to this point, the trams were painted either white and red, or entirely red)." This information is at least partly inaccurate. I live in Warsaw since 1974 (when I was born) and remember white and red trams. They can also be seen on some postcards from the seventies, as well as in an photoalbum that my parents have at home.77.113.106.169 (talk) 10:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

"Warsaw lacks a good circular road system and most traffic goes directly through the city centre."

I was born and raised in Warsaw and I don't remember this being true... Can anyone confirm/deny this? Magsxemail (talk) 04:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Sadly it's pretty true. Warsaw has no orbital road and is served by no motorways. Therefore most traffic goes through the city on the main trunk roads like Krakowska and Jerozolimskie - which is why Warsaw has such splendid traffic jams in the rush hour! I'll try to find a source, however, to back that up. --83.5.91.79 (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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In the culture section it is several times claimed that certain museums are "the only one in the world", namely the poster museum and the caricature museum. There are dedicated caricature museums in Kassel, Germany and in Frankfurt, Germany and I'm sure in other places in other countries as well. There are dedicated poster museums in Bayreuth, Germany and in Heidelberg, Germany and I'm sure in many other places around the globe as well. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt! ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.132.45 (talk) 21:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

That argument is ridiculous. The last line in German, especially, paints exactly what is on your mind.

The table in the Districts section cannot be clicked (except for the first district). I thing the map next to it might be obscuring it.

I'm using chrome, not sure if it works in other browsers. I don'T know how to fix it, otherwise I would =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.49.80.161 (talk) 13:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Change the Warsaw Timeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Prussian homage definatly not in 1600s. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 89.229.134.133 (talk) 08:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Material was copied into this article from a translation of Widoki dawnej Warszawy (Views of Old Warsaw) inSeptember 2008. See [7], [8],[9],[10],[11], [12],[13], [14][15]. All of the text added in that edit or from that source should be removed or rewritten, unless it can be verified that the book and its translation are copyright free. Rather than simply remove the text (and certainly rather than revert to the last clean), I've tagged the section to give contributors an opportunity to mine whatever information is essential from the material to their satisfaction. That information can, of course, be included in original language. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The image under "demographics" illustrating differences in muncipal boundaries over time does not clearly indicate to what time periods the two different colors refer. Was Warsaw larger or smaller, geographically speaking, in 1939 than it is today? The graphic should answer this quickly, but instead just creates confusion.128.119.165.217 (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

For a discussion on how to name the streets of Warsaw, please see and contribute to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland#Streets in Warsaw.--Kotniski (talk) 15:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if there are any editors interested in creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Warsaw? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

That depends, would being a member of this wikiproject require in-depth knowledge of Warsaw? I would be happy to help out with the little things. Ostap 19:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Warsaw/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Rated Start Wide selection of pictures with broad coverage of subject, but unreferenced. Include references for facts stated. WP:CITE Implement Citation Templates for references. Reduce usage of subsections in favor of comprehensive paragraphs. (eg. Transport) Consider implementing a more comprehensive and standardized infobox such as {{Infobox City}} Replace Image:Grand CoA Warsaw.png with a GFDL Image or resolve copyright issue. Remove Wikilink tagging on broken/red wikilinks. Consolidate one sentence paragraphs into larger more comprehensive ones.

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The section on "Famous People" [16] is a bit unbalanced. There have been a lot of famous people born in or from Warsaw, just like there's been a lot of famous people born in or from New York. Obviously we cannot list all of them in this article, so we should focus on the most important ones. Szpilman, Szopen and Curie-Sklodowska obviously qualify. I'm not so sure about Lempicka. Basically it seems she'd be alright to be included in there as long as many other famous folks are also included (and then she should be mentioned more briefly). Here is the list of people from Warsaw [17]. Just eye balling it very quickly I can spot about dozen and a half folks who deserve inclusion in this section more.radek (talk) 05:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm doing this right but I just wanted to bring this up. The metro population for Warsaw here says 3,350,000, but the official website of the city and "Global Metro Monitor" of the Brookings site say different, listing it at about 2,500,000. So this might need a revision or further research I guess.

http://www.e-warsaw.pl/2/index.php?id=478

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2010/1130_global_metro_monitor/1130_global_metro_profiles.aspx

-Red Hair Bow Red Hair Bow (talk) 07:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I've downgraded this article from b to c class. It has large chunks of unreferenced text, and style is poor - lots of single-sentence paragraphs. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

The districts section doesn't seem quite right to me. It says that until 1994 there were seven districts (Śródmieście, Praga Północ, Praga Południe, Żoliborz, Wola, Ochota, Mokotów) and that between 1994 and 2002 there were 11 districts (Centrum, Białołęka, Targówek, Rembertów, Wawer, Wilanów, Ursynów, Włochy, Ursus, Bemowo, Bielany). The eighteen since 2002 are mostly made up of these two lists combined (minus Centrum from list 2, add Wesoła which was incorporated at this time). I don't think this is accurately or well portrayed - something has been lost in the translation of "district" but I'm not sure what, and reading the Polish wiki article didn't leave me much clearer. I think that in 1994, the city was made bigger - the central seven districts were made into one (Centrum), each district then had the same powers. In 2002 the central seven were separated and a change in governance/powers happened again. But that's just a guess.... Severo^TC 21:41, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

In 1994 seven districts were combined into one administrative region (a Gmina) named Warszawa-Centrum. Other districts (Białołęka, Targówek, etc.) were separate gminas. So formally, there was no such thing as one city of Warsaw. (For a similar system see Tokyo, Japan.)
In 2002 this system was abolished: all 18 districts were joined into just one administrative region (a Powiat).--78.133.233.211 (talk) 14:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Does this mean between 1994 and 2002, the 18 districts (gminas) were part of one powiat (county)? Or were they part of different counties? Also, what was the status of the outer districts before 1994 - gminas of other powiats? Thanks again, Severo^TC 18:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Number of companies set up in the region is purely virtual. Most of firms in big cities are semi-illegal form of employment - people registered own firm and work like normal employee. It is illegal, because post-communistic authorities of Poland prohibited provision of services for one subject, but even big companies, like TV stations do not hide that they employ in this way cleaners and presenters. Some companies divide into few smaller to circumvent restrictive tax law and sometimes irrational rules of the Labour Code. And they employ mentioned above "firms" in few their "companies", so they bypass the restriction. Some of companies are set in other region that they work, because it is more easily to go hundred kilometers few time in month to another region than "wrangle" with local ZUS and the tax office branch and their interpretation of law (Polish law is often unclear and have not one interpretation in force in country). And recent times popular is setting business in other countries (and provide services in Poland)to avoid ridiculous law and tax system, which make live in Poland swimming in jelly. And the last but not least - the estimated size of the shadow economy in Poland amounts to 18-20%. 87.205.166.207 (talk) 22:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)Polish citizen

There is something wrong with the .ogg file that's linked - seems it ends too early. Surely the last "a" is lost in it. Let me suggest linking to the pronounciation that's in the Polish wikipedia. The correct file location is: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Warszawa_pl.ogg , but I do not know how to change the code in the English wiki without ruining the article. If someone familiar with the wiki mechanism could do it for me, please do so. Thanks in advance. --JPFen (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, it seems that Poland is the most brave country in world history, whowww, how they defeted the red devils!! Yes! Awesome! The country with the world record of being-divided-into-whomever-happened -to-be-near-at-any-age seems to be the most impressive power of the world. Yeah, and God is with them too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.252.72.61 (talk) 14:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, and it perpetuates several lies. One being that the Polish reactionaries were the poor brave victims of Bolshevik aggression rather than part of a multinational reactionary invasion of Russia. Another being the lie about the Soviets "abandoning" the Warsaw uprising with a pathetic quote from what amounts to a very partial set of memoirs of someone who was a *child* at the time. Try again! They can't even find a right-wing military historian with any decent reputation to pedal this lie. 82.71.39.170 (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry 170.252.72.61, but I couldn't help it and needed to check on your IP, just out of curiosity, where do the people come from, who get so angry about a thing like this. I don't actually care for the article, I haven't even read this part, but I truly fell offended by your idiotical comment (until I discovered where you come from...). Firstly I believe, you don't know a shit about Polish history and learning it out of Wikipedia articles you'll never know any better; secondly, you seem not to get the difference between being a brave nation and being a psychopath aggressive against every other country in the world (like your beloved Russians for example). Thirdly, coming to the whole IP-thing, I can't say I was surprised to find out that you're from Switzerland. Surely you all don't-beat-me-I'm-neutral Swiss sissies can teach us cowardly Poles something about bravery, don't you? I hope you're offended with my comment just like I was with yours. Sincerely DameMitHermelin (talk) 15:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

82.71.39.170 - please, give me example of some military historician with a decent reputation who wrote that the Soviets did react while the Warsaw Uprising. I guess you actually believe, that the Red Army fought bravely against the Germans on the 1st August 1944 and on all of the comming days on the side of the Poles? Maybe even for them? Which historician of a decent reputation told you a lie like that? PS. Have you ever heard of Norman Davies? DameMitHermelin (talk) 15:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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For the record, the last "sourced" addition - which is also a revert - does not come from a WP:RS as Wikipedia does not cite itself. The issue somehow seems to be "how many skyscrapers existed in the communist era" as opposed to the source's contention that contemporary warsaw has a large number of them either completed or in progress. It's not really a particularly important point, and not worth edit warring over - although this last bit needs to be removed completely per WP:RS and WP:OR. Scr★pIron^IV 19:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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Should Warsaw be described as the 9th or 10th largest city in the European Union?

9th, The population of Hamburg "refers to the city and federal state of Hamburg, which is composed of 7 districts"^[1] etc. The federal state of Hamburg is a state of Germany, which identifies its capital as Berlin.^[2] Although Hamburg might be identified as a capital of a federal state, it is not a country capital and therefore should be avoided for confusion as in this case. One might think that Germany possesses two capitals. Oliszydlowski (TALK) 19:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Just going by List of cities in the European Union by population within city limits. El_C 09:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

List of "cities" and not capital cities. Hamburg isn't a capital of a country. Please see that in the lead it says 9th largest "capital city". Oliszydlowski (TALK) 20:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

It's confusing because the article is linked where it's number ten. Maybe drop capital from the sentence. El_C 10:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

How about we change the link to Largest capital cities of the European Union? Oliszydlowski (TALK) 20:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

That works, too. Or we can mention both articles: no. 9th and 10th, respectively. El_C 10:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I've changed the link and deleted outdated sources from 2009. Oliszydlowski (TALK) 21:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of the fact that Stalin deliberately halted the Red army so the Warsaw Uprising could be crushed in 1944? (SteveNuttal (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2017 (UTC)) Banned editor HarveyCarter Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Readers see

1. [varˈʂava]
2. /vɑːrˈʃɑːvə/

readers hope you would make up your mind. Jidanni (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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Let's remove the phrase from the lead.Xx236 (talk) 08:29, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The picture should be in WWII section, now I can see it in two sections.Xx236 (talk) 08:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Sea of rubble is described in post-WWII section.Xx236 (talk) 08:34, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

• The section is quite short. Henryk Wars deserves to be mentioned if Szpilman is.
• Phrase Famous musicians include Władysław Szpilman and Frédéric Chopin. should be probably rewritten, it looks strange.Xx236 (talk) 08:46, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The file Tamara de Lempicka.jpg on Wikimedia Commons has been nominated for deletion. View and participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. Community Tech bot (talk) 08:51, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

However the ending -awa is unusual for a big city; the names of Polish cities derived from personal names usually end in -ów/owo/ew/ewo (e.g. Piotrków, Adamów) while the -av- in the early name of Wrocław is part of a personal name.

1. When Warsaw got it's name nobody knew it was going to become a major city

2. In Poland there is plenty of placenames derived from personal names according to exactly this pattern (Limanowa, Włoszczowa etc.). The existence of other more common patterns is irrelevant

3. Wrocław was mentioned because it is derrived from the same name Warcisław, not because of it's ending

4. It is polemic rather than encyclopedic in style — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.75.71.165 (talk) 09:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

It links a different estimate Warsaw metropolitan area.Xx236 (talk) 07:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

This page is about the city, not about any politicians. The picture should be replaced by a neutral one.Xx236 (talk) 10:53, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

One might think this article should be called Architecture of Warsaw and not a main article about a cities culture and people. Not sure the article should be full of mainly architecture ? 50 images of buildings? Most should be moved to Architecture of Warsaw --Moxy 🍁 17:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I will deal with this shortly. Oliszydlowski (talk) 20:13, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

This article contains a large number of mistakes, particularly in the geography section. Elit3powars (talk) 06:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)