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Reliable source in Polish?

Would like to get some input on whether the history website Ciekawostki historyczne.pl is WP:RS. This is the article I'm interested in citing but as I'm not a Polish speaker (and using machine translation) it's difficult to get a clear picture of the site's reliability. Thanks. DeCausa (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DeCausa I didn't notice your post earlier, sorry. The author is not anonymous, and the article even cites some sources. According to https://ciekawostkihistoryczne.pl/zasady-publikacji/ they pay for texts published, and in criteria they say they require texts to be reliable, copyedited, and they may carry out copyeding and fixes themselves. There is no external, blind peer review, but well, it's a magazine of sorts, and it seems to have an internal review process, which they explain in detail, which is pretty rare in my experience. I think it's reliable for non-academic level type of source, just like any other magazine or newspaper. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:32, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Piotrus: Thanks very much. DeCausa (talk) 08:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stary Cykarzew POM

Could someone please find a reliable source to verify the existence of this settlement? I cannot translate the single reference in the article, and there is no equivalent article in the Polish wikipedia. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think such village exists, I don't even know what POM is supposed to mean Marcelus (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, @Marcelus, I'll flag the article for deletion, and also remove it from the Gmina Mykanów template. Kiwipete (talk) 22:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Przed 2014 r. w Polsce nie był dostępny publicznie zestaw miejscowości. W tym czasie na polskiej Wikipedii tworzono artykuły do nazw znalezionych w różnych źródłach, wówczas uznawano artykuły bez źródeł informacji. Po 2014 r. dokonaliśmy weryfikacji artykułów o miejscowościach w Polsce [1]. W tej akcji skasowano kilkaset artykułów, jeżeli pozostały ich odpowiedniki w innych wiki, to należy je skasować. Proponuję utworzenie zestawienia artykułów o miejscowościach w Polsce, które są na en:, a nie ma ich odpowiednika na pl:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stok (talkcontribs) 18:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Translation according to Google:
Before 2014, a set of town was not publicly available in Poland. At that time, articles found in various sources were created on Polish Wikipedia, then articles were recognized without information sources. After 2014, we verified articles about places in Poland [1]. Several hundred articles were deleted in this action, if their counterparts in other wiki remain, they should be deleted. I suggest creating a list of articles about cities in Poland that are on EN: and there are no equivalent on PL:.
Kiwipete (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The reason I came across this article, and others, is a result of my adding a pushpin map to articles that are missing them. I have come across other examples as well as this one, and will raise the appropriate deletion requests in the not too distant future. Kiwipete (talk) 22:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More articles for deletion?

Following on from my request above, I've come across more articles that have no equivalent on the PL wikipedia. These are all from the Greater Poland voivodeship:

If anyone has any reliable source(s), or related articles on the PL wikipedia, could you please advise? Pinging @Piotrus, @Phil Bridger, @Stok because of your help at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stary Cykarzew POM. Kiwipete (talk) 20:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kiwipete This user operated the boot, but they are inactive - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, @GizzyCatBella, yes I was aware of Kotniski's withdrawal from Wikipedia, sadly. Kiwipete (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Stok Delete? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Piotrus I would delete all of them, but those names that existed (istniała) can not be deleted. Stok (talk) 08:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm add more:

The corresponding articles were on pl:, they were deleted: in 2014 (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/Załatwione artykuły (sierpień 2014/2)#Wsie_cz._1. The footnote indicating that they are in TERYT is false. Stok (talk) 08:55, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And:

Deleted on pl: (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/Załatwione artykuły (sierpień 2014/2)#Wsie_cz._2). Stok (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wonder if they can be speedied? Errr. Ping random admin @Liz :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:37, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is another:

Kiwipete (talk) 02:28, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, Chrapice exist, in PRNG: Chrapice, urzędowa, część wsi, Skąpe, 0842176, TERYT (SIMC), 0842182 53°14'13" 18°36'58". It is part of Skąpe, Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship, text no longer existent village is wrong. Stok (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What I'm looking for, in particular, are geographic coordinates so that I can display a map in the article. There are no such coordinates in either the English or Polish wikipedia articles. If the text "no longer existent village" is incorrect, could you please update the article? But if also, as you say, it is part of Skąpe, itself a village, is there any justification for the article's existence? In the meantime, I'll just remove its reference from the Gmina Papowo Biskupie template. Kiwipete (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kiwipete According to pl wiki article, Chrapice was a village that eventually became part of another village. It probably meets Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) per the source Stok cited, it is/was "Legally recognized, populated" (GEOLAND #1). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stepan Bandera genocide criminal or hero?

Talk:Valerii Zaluzhnyi#Bandera and Verkhovna Rada maybe it’s a good place to put it here and some one want to discuss is Stepan Bandera responsible for Volhynia genocide and it’s not a good person to take selfies with, especially when you are a Commander-in-Chief of army or the parliament, maybe my analogy of “Federal Ministry of Defence (Germany) publish selfie with Hitler portrait, this been retweeted by Bundestag account” little too strong. But I been reported all the time Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#User:Joaziela and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Joaziela and personal attacks and not much been discussed on subject, so maybe some backup, if it’s not a good place to publish thenn sorry Joaziela (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article on Stepan Bandera explains the issue, and makes it pretty clear that he was a Ukrainian fascist, as there have [been] British fascists, American fascists, Russian fascists etc. Having a selfie taken with such a person does not automatically mean that a person is a fascist. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’m not claiming that, but just taking this selfie it’s a scandal and publishing another and that it’s put there by official parliament account it’s a another huge one. And it was as a scandal seen in world by politicians of other countries including Poland.
so maybe if you want to help to form it in different way, maybe I don’t get something, but by responses like “Bandera is not Hitler (not even close)”, I read it that totally not understanding the maybe little to strong analogy and knowing that there are Bandera monuments and gloryication by some, is bringing some misunderstanding Joaziela (talk) 19:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bandera was fascist and he is responsible for genocide. I think that concludes the discussion Marcelus (talk) 20:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Marcelus Don’t explain it to me, but please try to explain there, why for any Ukrainian it’s not okay to take a selfie with genocide responsible in that discussion Talk:Valerii Zaluzhnyi#Bandera and Verkhovna Rada Joaziela (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I won't, I don't think that's worth mentioning in Zaluzhny's biogram Marcelus (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why not? You admit he is responsible for genocide, same as Hitler. If any German general made selfie with Hitler, would he even think about publishing it? Would Bundestag post it? So because of that it should be post it in his biogram, because selfies with Bandera (used to be honored Hero of Ukraine and there are still his monuments) are as scandal as Hitler glorification Joaziela (talk) 20:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You already said that, you don't have to repeat yourself Marcelus (talk) 21:04, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I didn’t repeat myself, just because I bring more background information for you. Maybe you had a problem with understanding the analogy in the first place, because you didn’t provide with any arguments for you statement Joaziela (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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As a lead in Adolf Hitler is containing The Holocaust, it is natural that Stepan Bandera artice first lines should be filled with Volhynia genocide, but... The word „genocide” didn’t happen in Articles text not even once (sic! zero, zilch, null), but in titles of sourced it is 11 times. One again: 11 quoted article are titled “genocide” and in text itself genocide didn’t happen once. „Hero” in text 12 times... I heard not to used historical negationism or genocide denial, but I don’t know how to call it... Unfortunate coincidence? Joaziela (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WP:DROPTHESTICK Volunteer Marek 10:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why is this discussed here and not at Talk:Stepan Bandera? This discussion should be moved there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I started a discussion about renaming PLC office holders, you might be interested in joining Marcelus (talk) 17:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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