Talk:St. Anthony Hall

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Reviewer: Argenti Aertheri (talk · contribs) 00:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Review

I’ll update this as I work on the review ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?)

Last edited: 04:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Bot says it’s fine, will do a more thorough check in a bit. Looks good!
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	There's an awful lot about architecture, but maybe that's the actual main topic? I need to think about it.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Yes, but maybe cut a few? They end up out of sync with the text. Response: I cut some. Line up is better but still not perfect.
	7. Overall assessment.

Notes:

Unclear text

• "In an 1891 newspaper feature article on American college societies, three Delta Psi chapter houses were illustrated—Trinity, Williams, and Yale—amongst the fifteen houses depicted."
  • Three were illustrated but 15 were depicted? Reword so it's clear that 12 non-Delta Psi houses were also featured. Done Rublamb (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• "The Faulkner family lived there from 1912 to 1922 when fraternities were outlawed at the University of Mississippi."
  • They lived there while fraternities were outlawed (from 1912 to 1922), or they lived there from 1912 until fraternities were outlawed in 1922. I tried checking the citation but it's just a picture of the building. It was both--when they lived there and when fraternities were banned on campus. The cited source with the photo had text about the location of the house. I found another source that said the Faulkners lived on campus but it did not specify which house. Since I find that a source is lacking to back this text, I cut this subsection and its related photo. Rublamb (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• "It was the first fraternity-related club in New York City and was "flourishing" at 29 East 28th Street; a location it shared with the undergraduate chapter, by 1883."
  • Was it flourishing by 1883 or did it start sharing its location then? Neither source helps me figure it out. fixed, Rublamb (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• "The St. Anthony Club in Philadelphia was established before 1888 when it shared a new building with the undergraduate chapter."
  • What exactly occurred in 1888? I tried checking the sources but the first one is a dead link and the second is an unhelpful book. Fixed. The Newspapers.com source is temporarily unavailable, but I saved a PDF and was able to add the needed content to the note. I also added the key page to the other source and expanded the text to be clearer. Rublamb (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• "Apparently, the fraternity had concerns about the University of Rochester, which had declined in its estimation, rather than the chapter." and
  • I read the source and still have no idea what this is trying to say. I think my changes will address your question. Rublamb (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other (none are required, feel free to ignore)

• The main topic, by length, depth of coverage, and image use, is the architecture of the buildings. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I'm not yet sure if that actually matters!

Response: We have discussed this in the WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities. Here is one instance Talk:St. Anthony Hall/Archive 1#Cleanup. I agree architecture is not something you will come across very often in a fraternity/sorority article, but we do try to include historically or architecturally significant chapter houses in fraternity articles. It just stands out in this instance because there are so many which is highly unusual. I went through the architecture section and cut this quite a bit before nominating the article for GA. But the WP's overall decision was that in no other fraternity has there been such a drive to have and maintain historically significant mansions. It really is part of the organization’s culture; in fact, the Fraternity of Delta Psi became known as St. Anthony Hall, the name of its chapter house at Yale. In this case, a full treatment of the many landmark buildings and their architects and influences is appropriate. Rublamb (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikilink some of the more obscure architectural terms (e.g. ogee, portico, blue freestone, Versailles parquet) Done. Thanks for this feedback. Sometimes I worry about using too many wikilinks. Rublamb (talk) 19:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Consider using Template:Inflation
  • "It cost $20,000 to build."
  • "of embezzling $650,000 from"
  • "the $38,000 event 'turned into a bacchanal'"
  • "sold in 1990 for $3,250,000" Done Rublamb (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fix the handful of issues regarding clarity and I'll be thrilled to pass it. I'm like a mile from the Yale Becton Center and had no idea why it looked like that, always figured it was just another bit of brutalism like the Armstrong building. Learn something new every day I guess!

You should take a better photo for this article! The only examples I could find didn't show the design element very well. Rublamb (talk) 23:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll try to remember to next time I’m stuck at that light, parking downtown is a nightmare! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 01:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]