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Japanese art is kind of a wreck. While it seems to mostly be reasonably sourced, it's very messy:

• It has a lot of non-encyclopedic wording in it (including a lot of "Engrish").
• Nearly none of the transliterated Japanese words and phrases in it have {{lang|ja-Latn}} markup, or even italics, and when glosses (translations/meanings) are given in English they usually have incorrect double-quote markup. See MOS:FOREIGN, MOS:SINGLE: correct way to present a Japanese term and it's meaning: yōga ('Western-style painting'); code: {{lang|ja-Latn|yōga}} ('Western-style painting'). If the Japanese characters are also given, then {{Nihongo}} can be used for all three versions. {{lang}} now auto-italicizes non-English in Latin script (which is triggered by the -Latn for languages normally written in another script; blame ISO for the silly spelling "Latn"), so ''manual italics'' around them should be removed. There are probably some incorrect instances of {{lang|ja}} (without -Latn) being used around a few transliterated things, which should be fixed.
• There's a whole lot of over-capitalization of things that are not proper names or for any other reason usually capitalized in reliable sources; it seems to just being done by a few "green" editors out of bad habit of using capitalization for emphasis, which is contrary to the first rule of the guideline (MOS:EMPHCAPS).
• Lots of notable things are not linked (at first occurrence). And quite a few things are linked again and again (see MOS:LINKS). Generally, just the first occurrence in the lead, and the first occurence in the main article body should be linked, though really sectionally-important things can be linked a third time, especially if the first occurrence is separated from this by several sections.
• Next, the citations are in wildly conflicting styles (not compliant with WP:CITEVAR); I would strongly suggest normalizing to Help:CS1 style ({{cite book}}, {{cite web}}, etc.), since this is already the dominant style in the article as well as site-wide (and it has the most flexible templates). However, many templates already in there are using deprecated parameters like |author= and |year= (use |last=|first=, and |date=), and some of them are being misused (most commonly |publisher= mistakenly used for the title, which belongs in |title= for books and |work= for almost everything else; |publisher= is for the business entity that published the work).
• And last, on this theme, the dates are also veering around between every known format, against MOS:DATE; please normalize them to whatever is most common in major articles about Japan (I can't see that any style presently dominates in the article).

While I routinely overhaul entire articles for problems like these myself, I already have 5 or more in progress, and my time for such polishing is way more limited today than it used to be. This article is a really key one for the project, and is even important on an all-of-Wikipedia level, so I think the wikiproject should devote some WP:GNOME time to it. PS: A text editor with regexp support is very helpful for such cleanup, though when fixing dates, beware changing all YYYY-MM-DD strings to English-language dates, as many URLs have ISO date strings in them.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I would like to bring to your attention the mass creation of yokai articles by User:Ilike LG. Are these notable? Best, L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:04, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some of these are possibly notable, but it looks like the beginning of a longer process since all of the ones started so far start with A or B, so I agree that they need to be looked at more closely to avoid problems. For example, Betobeto-san is basically written from an in-universe perspective, the sources cited are incomplete (what is "大藤他 1955, pp. 1303-1390"?), and there is no permission or real sourcing on the photo. At first glance it seems like there will be a lot of cleanup to be done on the ones that might pass WP:GNG. Dekimasuよ! 03:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These look like translations from Japanese Wikipedia. Betobeto-san, for instance, is based on ja:べとべとさん and the references are from there as well. _dk (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think you could get these articles to a decent status, or should they go to AfD? L293D (☎ • ✎) 04:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ilike LG, L293D, Dekimasu, and Underbar dk: I think WP:FTN is probably the appropriate place to discuss them. ミラP 03:02, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider helping out with fixing the items listed here. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article passed and was promoted! Thanks to Dekimasu for helping out and MX for pointing out areas of improvement. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Please see this thread at the Film Project. If anyone can spare some time to help with this, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:27, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We have a few unassessed articles that need reviewing:

• C-class, unknown importance
• Start class, unknown importance
• Stub class, unknown importance
• List class, unknown importance
• Unassessed class or importance

If people can help assess them, that would be awesome. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please can someone check Amanogawa (river)? The coordinates given (per Wikidata) do not match the (sourced) reference to Hokkaidō Prefecture. Are there perhaps two rivers with the same name? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:25, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There seem to be several rivers by that name. If Amanogawa (river) is meant to be about the Osaka-river, the image, coordinates, prefecture (in infobox), length (in infobox), prefecture (in category), the link to commons and perhaps also the reference (I don't have access to it) need to be changed. It would be easy to change this, but perhaps we should first agree whether this article is meant to be about the Osaka river or the Hokkaido river or perhaps should be a disambig. page. bamse (talk) 13:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. We'll also need to clean up (or at least check) the commons category and Wikidata item, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-written the Shōji article (currently rated start-class, high-importance) and nominated it for DYK. A reassessment is probably needed, as it was a stub when I started. List of partitions of traditional Japanese architecture is also going to be linked. Any review, criticism, or edits would also be very welcome. I am not an expert and would be glad to have my foolish mistakes caught before they go up on the main page! HLHJ (talk) 04:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I assessed it as C-class, though it may be a B-class (I didn't have time to do a review for that). It's very nicely done! On the list, I mrged the History section into the lead because it was a single sentence and an image. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I did a bit more with the merge; originally I intended to expand that section, but haven't come across much and am happy to leave it for now. The list is not very good yet, and I have a Reference Desk query running in an attempt to determine the Japanese name of the last entry (bark walls). Frankly, I'm not sure I really have the knowledge to make the list very good. HLHJ (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]