Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ed Kalnins

This article not only included source references, but one source references was a link to the videotapes of Kalnins making these controvesial remarks from Kalnins' own page. Someone is systematically deleting information regarding Sarah Palins, her former pastor, and her former church, as well as any ability to link from her page to the information.

Why has the previous discussion about this page been deleted?

Try looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ed Kalnins. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 23:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Find some independent sources. Not partisan ones and come back.--Troikoalogo (talk) 23:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. All quotes from his sermons can be directly verified at http://www.wasillaag.net/all.html.

2. All the quotes were also verified by Nico Pitney and Sam Stein.

2a. Nico Pitney was Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and Managing Editor of ThinkProgress. He lives in Washington, DC, and has appeared on CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and the BBC. Nico can be reached at [email protected].

2b. Sam Stein has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at [email protected].

Stein and Pitney's verification of the quotes is here: www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html.

3. A Google search of "Ed Kalnins AND Wasilla" produces 1,100 web pages. There is only one Ed Kalnins in Wasilla, which has a population of under 9,000.

EricDiesel (talk) 03:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Silva, White House correspondent for The Chicago Tribune, writes that “Kalnins has preached that critics of Bush will be banished to Hell, questioned if people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to Heaven, charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and Iraq were part of a war ‘contending for your faith’; and that Jesus ‘operated from that position of war mode’.” This language is almost identical to the portions deleted from my final edit of my article, only without the direct quotes supporting the summary. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palins_past_pastor_bushfoes_he.html#more EricDiesel (talk) 04:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Kroon, a lesser known pastor, has an undisturbed Wikipedia page for himself and his Wasilla Bible Church, with minimal sources. It will be difficult for a few people to keep information about Kalnins' sermons off of Wikipedia for long, although the strategy reported in the media is to keep the information off for just a few days until the bump from the Republican Convention is obtained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talk • contribs) 05:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Wasilla Assembly of God page, with quotes and sources of quotes, was edited then deleted by user WasillaAG (acronym for Wasilla Assembly of God?). Is there any way to associate the quotes from Kalnin's sermons with the appropriate articles?