Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2018 September 9

The Nanchang Changbei International Airport article claims that it has a direct flight to Kansai International Airport, but the Kansai International Airport does not list this flight. Which one is correct here? Mũeller (talk) 03:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• I removed the flight from the Nanching airport article because the flight was supposedly served by Beijing Capital Airlines, but the airline's web site gives no indication of such service. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the example: Great Wall cloud of China. You see the word cloud is embedded within the phrase "Great Wall of China", putting cloud after wall would make the two-word phrase "wall cloud". But in proper phrasing, "cloud of China" or "Wall cloud of China" would not be correct, rather it would be continuation after 'Great Wall' as if the word cloud wasn't embedded in them. Would you call the wordplay form "embedded" or could it be more specific? PlanetStar 06:04, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "Great Wall cloud of China" is meaningless and has zero Ghits. What is the context? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:09, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like a cousin to a Portmanteau. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On Jeopardy! they will occasionally have a category they call "Before and After" which takes two unrelated phrases and hooks them together via the word they have in common. Example: "All-Star pitcher who is also a 1980s shopping game show." Response: "Who is Chris Sale of the Century?" ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Just by the way, I'm pretty sure (from watching both shows a lot) that Wheel of Fortune was using these constructions and identifying them as "Before and After" well before Jeopardy! ever did. --76.69.47.228 (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• All the better. (I don't watch WoF - too much fluff, too little game play.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

From the OP's example, we have obviously the Great Wall of China; a wall cloud, which precedes a tornado; and cloud computing. So maybe something to do with China's approach to "the cloud"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:42, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PlanetStar -- I would call such things an "interrupted idiomatic phrase", but I have no idea what your example is supposed to mean, or what purpose it was intended to serve... AnonMoos (talk) 16:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The OP needs to tell us where he got that expression from. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm finding out what it is called so I can included in my hangman categories. The expression is used as an example so anyone can figure what form of expression is this. AnanMoos may have gave an answer as "interrupted idiomatic phrase", which is long and can be acronized as IIP, but not all of them are idiomatic. An example of a non-idiomatic one is Michael Jordan Jackson comprising of "Michael Jordan" and "Michael Jackson", but not "Jordan Jackson". In analogy it is like there is a wall splitting the sides into two-thirds and one-third on one level but in the other level it goes all the way across it. Another example using common nouns is death metal trap comprising of "death metal" and "death trap", but not "metal trap". Then if we replace the word "trap" with "chain", it would make it a proper before & after phrase.

There's some examples using your username, Baseball Bugs. An example of interrupted phrase is Baseball game Bugs and Baseball lady Bugs, while that of before & after is Baseball Bugs Bunny which you like and Major League Baseball Bugs. PlanetStar 02:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So you've never actually seen "Great Wall cloud of China" used anywhere? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't really sound like an actual thing, but it seems at least related to tmesis. Abso-blooming-lutely. - Nunh-huh 12:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I could call it "ensomatosis", having the same last three letters as tmesis, coming from the Greek word ensomatosi, meaning embedding. What do you guys think? PlanetStar 00:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not in the business of inventing words. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:33, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Except combining a Hawaiian word for "fast" with the common word "encyclopedia" to invent a new word. 216.59.42.36 (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia didn't invent the word "Wikipedia". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:26, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone who can deduct whether this poster is intended for a list for the Russian Constituent Assembly election, 1917 or for Jewish community elections same year? http://www.palestineposterproject.org/poster/vote-no-6 --Soman (talk) 15:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It has no particular connection with Palestine that I can see, but it's in Yiddish, and the first line says Tsum alRuslendishen Idishen Tsuzamenfahr "For the all-Russian Jewish XXXX" (not sure what the last word is, but it contains the element spelled "zusammen" in German)... AnonMoos (talk) 15:44, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. If you put צוזאמענפאהר in Google Image Search, you get some interesting stuff, but I'm still not sure what it means... AnonMoos (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. It appears that it is then an election poster for the All Russian Jewish Congress (also held in 1917), and cannot be used to illustrate the Russian Constituent Assembly election, 1917 article. --Soman (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By putting "What is the Yiddish word for congress" into Google and clicking around a little, I eventually found https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/yiddish-word-750edd9419b8a426dad02452de0a2d756d8ec8c4.html , so I'm pretty sure you're right... AnonMoos (talk) 16:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you make of this one? https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/03/12/arts/12jewishcommunists1/08jewishcommunists1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp For List 4 in the Constituent Assembly, Jewish community body or municipal election? --Soman (talk) 17:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or this? https://i.pinimg.com/474x/40/49/2b/40492b994946829eb206b1d462ef052e--russian-revolution-rabbi.jpg ? --Soman (talk) 17:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see the NYTimes one on this computer right now due to incompatible SSL protocols. In the Pinterest one, I can only read the second line quickly and easily: des Idishen Natsionalen "...the Jewish National...". AnonMoos (talk) 21:27, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a coincidence that Tsuzamenfahr looks like Zusammenfahr and could be seen as "fellow traveller" in the socialist sense? Rmhermen (talk) 19:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have the Republicans and Democrats changed their positions on free trade and outsourcing ever since Trump won the presidency? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.67.108.46 (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Which Republicans and which Democrats? Both American parties are Big Tent parties, and people with a bewildering variety of political opinions within them. --Jayron32 01:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While there will be a spectrum of opinions within any group of more than a few people, groups often broadly share certain ideological beliefs. Finding these out is what pollsters and statisticians are paid to do. Some do a better job than others, of course. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

184.67.108.46 -- in a sense they have, but mostly superficially in the case of Republicans. In recent decades, the Republican party has been a triad of culture-warriors (anti-abortion and anti-gay-marriage types), defense and foreign policy hawks (neoconservatives and those in favor of high military spending), and economic plutocrats (those who want large tax-breaks to be given to corporations and the very wealthy, and largely got their way in last year's tax bill). None of those three factions was interested in workers' well-being or opposed to free trade deals. Democrats contained both a trade-union aligned faction (largely opposed to free trade deals) and a corporate & finance aligned faction (made up of people who fly off to Davos conferences and largely support free trade deals). This state of affairs has been disturbed by a leftward drift in the Democratic party starting even before the Trump presidency (with the widespread rejection of the Trans-Pacific trade Partnership among the Democratic party rank-and-file in 2016).

With Trump's presidency, Trump killed the TPP (which was opposed by most ordinary Americans) and has claimed an economic "populist mantle", but has done very little to benefit workers in his tax and budget policies, instead trying to attract worker support by visibly cracking down on immigrants and erratically starting tariff wars (neither of which benefits workers in any useful way). But his updated version of NAFTA recently renegotiated with Mexico did contain some provisions favorable to workers, and attracted some trade-union support... AnonMoos (talk) 04:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)`[reply]

Republicans did even before Trump won. Democrats remain divided. Your phrase for the day is "asymmetric polarization". --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]