Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 13

August 13

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 13, 2021.

Why weren't you at elf practice

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 21#Why weren't you at elf practice

Saif

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 21#Saif

Valley Girl Syndrome

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 27#Valley Girl Syndrome

Sam Lutfi

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lufti was Spears' manager and she obtained a restraining order against him. He was also the manager for Courtney Love and she too obtained a restraining order against him. Delete for fairness of the shared notability. Jay (Talk) 18:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Adding Osama Lutfi per last RfD. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Added the Lufti misspellings per same. --BDD (talk) 19:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:
  • Delete. For BLP reasons it seems very unlikely we'll get any centralized discussion of Lutfi. Special:Search/~Sam Lutfi does a better job at showing readers various things he's been involved in than any redirect could. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The last two didn't tag properly so I re-tagged them, but not before I made a mess of things. I think it's all fixed now. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 19:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Tamzin. The Osama redirects should be speedy deleted per WP:G10. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 19:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Per CBS, Osama does appear to be his legal name. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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South Carolina Department of Archives and History

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • South Carolina Department of Archives and History → South Carolina  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Propose deletion. Not covered in target article and no apparent alternative target. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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UMTS (telecommunication)

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 22:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • UMTS (telecommunication) → UMTS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

propose deletion, as correctly tagged as "from currently unnecessary disambiguation". The equivalent redirect for the article GSM, GSM (telecommunication) does not exist either making the current situation inconsequent. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 15:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - valid redirect. Onel5969 TT me 23:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per my !vote in the section below. It's true that GSM (telecommunication) doesn't exist, but only because no one's thought to make it yet. It would be a valid redirect. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep; WP:RCHEAP. Feel free to create the GSM redirect. ~~~~
    User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)     12:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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LTE (telecommunications)

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The result of the discussion was Keep per WP:SNOW. Thryduulf (talk) 00:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

propose deletion, as correctly tagged as "from currently unnecessary disambiguation". The main article already holds the sufix "(telecommunication)", so the additional "s" is clearly without any value, as the article would have been proposed already when searching for e.g. the name of the main article.

  • One additional note @User:GB fan: Your twofold approach of reverting the original attempt just because of a missing step in the procedure did not appear to be very helpful... Nightwalker-87 (talk) 15:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Since you couldn't be bothered to complete the procedure to nominate it for deletion, my revert was helpful to the encyclopedia. The tags you left on the redirects were not helpful in any way. It is standard procedure to remove xFD tags when the discussion had not been created. ~ GB fan 18:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As per the previous RfD, no reason to delete this perfectly valid redirect. In any case, I've also started an RM for Telecommunication to Telecommunications. Also, it is not a redirect from unnecessary disambiguation, but from incorrect disambiguation. I've corrected the tags. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Paul 012 It's not from an incorrect disambiguation either; rather from an alternative one. ~~~~
    User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)     12:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh. Thanks about that. There are really way too many of these rcat templates to keep track of. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep nothing has changed since the same nominator nominated this for deletion in 2016 and then withdrew the nomination, agreeing that this redirects should be kept. ~ GB fan 18:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following the argumentation of Paul_012 would qualify moving the current main article LTE (telecommunication) --> LTE (telecommunications) while preserving the other as a redirect. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The search bar isn't our only consideration at RfD. We also need to consider people directly linking to a term, be that a wikilink in an article or a link through some off-wiki interface. Anecdotally, I've heard the term "telecommunications" far more often than "telecommunication", and can easily picture myself linking to the former qualifier rather than the latter. And after all, redirects are cheap. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Winston (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Valid {{R from alternative disambiguation}}; WP:RCHEAP. ~~~~
    User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)     12:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keeps - definitely a plausible error, and points to the correct target. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Serni

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional river not mentioned anywhere; seems to be related to Sernui, which was deleted last summer. Hog Farm Talk 15:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, we don't have any hook for this old redirect. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Nen Lalaith

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

River of Beleriand not major enough to be mentioned anywhere; deletion is probably the best call since we have no content on this subject. Hog Farm Talk 15:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, I agree, we don't have any remaining need for this old redirect. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Deviation (film)

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The result of the discussion was Move Deviation (2006 film) back to Deviation (film) (i.e. revert the move of 13:37, 13 August 2021‎). wbm1058 (talk) 21:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate for deletion. These were created when the 2006 film was the only one named 'Deviation' on Wikipedia, that is no longer the case and it isn't the most notable film with that name either.  Mr\ Lore 13:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I presume the other film in question is the 2012 film for which you created an article today. Outside of WP, they return a similar amount of hits in Google, and the new article is both too new and too short to allow a quick assessment as to whether it is more notable. The only case for deletion I could see is WP:XY, though I think a more appropriate fix would be to retarget to Deviation#Other uses (or another subsection if one is created) Deviation#Films. ComplexRational (talk) 15:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to disambiguation page Deviation#Other uses Deviation#Films per ComplexRational, as is the usual course of action for cases like this. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC), updated 12:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Deviation#Films (a section I just created to match § Albums) per above. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Revert move per Shhh and procedurally close. Since the article has been draftified, there is no longer any redirect ambiguity for RfD to resolve. If the draft is ever moved back to mainspace, IMO it would be fine for someone to WP:BOLDly retarget these two redirects to the DAB as was discussed here. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 17:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The new creation Deviation (2012 film) has been moved to draft space. The Films section of Deviation therefore only has one entry, so I moved Deviation (2006 film) back to Deviation#Other uses. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move Deviation (2006 film) back to Deviation (film) (ie revert the move 13:37, 13 August 2021‎ @General Jazza:. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Leanne Dunic (writer, musician)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leanne Dunic (writer, musician) → Book*hug  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of Dunic at the target, and given the stub's length it seems very unlikely that any addition of content would be WP:DUE (assuming that Dunic is an author published by this imprint). Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 11:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Apparently the page creator created an article too soon and wanted to reverse course, but redirected the page to the publisher instead of blanking, which would have qualified it for G7. I believe deletion agrees with creator's intent. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above, with note to User:Gay.cat.dad (great username!) that it's fine to recreate this as an article (rather than a redirect) if User:Gay.cat.dad/sandbox becomes ready for primetime. (Assuming it passes WP:Notability.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 14:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Frontier tech

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 20#Frontier tech

Template:Infobox biography

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 20#Template:Infobox biography

Vratislavia

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 22:01, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deletion. "Vratislavia" is the Latin spelling of "Wrocław". However, Latin is not, and was never spoken in Wrocław, so the redirect fails WP:FORRED. 122.60.197.214 (talk) 06:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Per the article: The city was first recognized in the 10th century as Vratislavia. Furthermore, residents are called Vratislavians, so someone could hear that term and assume a Vratislavian is from Vratislavia. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 07:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The deletion argument is invalid and mistaken, too: Latin was may be not spoken but fairly commonly written in official documents of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for quite a long time. Lembit Staan (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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XXR

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target, an internet search primarily returned results of a tire brand by this name. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: XXR is an abbreviation of the Chinese-language term xiǎo xiān ròu. I've added that transcription to the article so that the connection is a bit clearer. I'm not sure whether this abbreviation is commonly used enough to make the redirect worthwhile. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • It is still hard to connect the abbreviation with the transcription added. Retarget to ISO 3166#Codes beginning with "X" where it says that XXR stands for the imaginary country Redland. Jay (Talk) 05:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Disambig per draft by BDD. Jay (Talk) 06:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and let the search engine handle it. When I google the initialism I get to page 3 before seeing any results that aren't for XXR Racing Wheels, and those other results are for other industrial products, none of them notable. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Of course you're not going to see any results for a Chinese language abbreviation on the English language Google. Has anyone done a search in Chinese language Google? Mlb96 (talk) 05:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      I searched for "XXR" on google.com.hk and still predominantly got results about tire sizes. Not sure if there's a better site for Chinese internet searches. signed, Rosguill talk 19:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Why would I not, if it's a valid search? I get results about language codes if I search for ZH, for example. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate I've drafted one. (I also moved the current target to Little fresh meat per WP:NCCAPS.) I found one more usage, and all three seem marginal but acceptable for a disambiguation page. --BDD (talk) 20:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate per BDD. The search engine, in its current state, is inadequate in directing readers to the current target. feminist (+) 06:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate, with thanks to BDD for getting the disambiguation page started. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Lundein

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Etymology of London. (non-admin closure) dudhhrContribs 19:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a very unlikely misspelling. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to etymology per Tamzin. Jay (Talk) 05:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Lundene

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Etymology of London. (non-admin closure) dudhhrContribs 19:32, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like an unlikely search term. London was never called this exact spelling as far as I can see. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to etymology per Tamzin as a misspelling of Lundein. Jay (Talk) 06:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Worth noting that this variant predates the standardization of spelling in English. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 07:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Tag with {{R without mention}}. Jay (Talk) 05:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the The Saxon Stories set in 9th and 10th centuries England, Bernard Cornwell uses the name Lundene. I don't know if it refers to a fictional city, or to London. Jay (Talk) 10:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The real London. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Did he make up the name because it sounded like a pre-London name, or is it really called with this spelling in other sources? If Lundene exists only in the world of The Saxon Stories, then it needs to be redirected accordingly. Jay (Talk) 09:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    However, the earliest extant list of Canterbury's London properties, which has been dated to between 1098 and 1108, does refer to a property given to the cathedral by a man named "Eadwaker æt lundene stane" ("Eadwaker at London Stone"). — London Stone § Middle Ages -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's odd that for a stone with so much historical importance, there is no mention of Lundene or the stone in Etymology of London. Jay (Talk) 05:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Αἴαξ

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Ajax.

Given that both search terms refer to any entry in Ajax#Greek mythology and tragedy, I suggest that they be pointed at the same target. Considering that Aias redirects to Ajax the Great, I would prefer that one. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Target/retarget all to DAB page Ajax. Both figures are significant in Greek mythology, and the qualifier is necessary to distinguish them; the name on its own is ambiguous. Compare James the Great and James the Less in Christianity. Narky Blert (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I would have said that "Ajax" under any spelling usually means Telamonian Ajax—Great Ajax, unless a qualifier is used, or the context is ambiguous—but if used without context, it wouldn't likely refer to Ajax the Less. P Aculeius (talk) 10:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Re)target Ajax the Great. We have a few thousand years of references to the two Ajaxes to know which one is of Greater significance. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 07:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll be honest, I have no clue why I !voted this way. There's no reason for this not to target its romanization. (Re)target to Ajax per above and below. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Retarget first redirect to Ajax and keep second one. Both words are Greek spellings of the name "Ajax" and they do not specifically refer to Ajax the Great. 122.60.197.214 (talk) 06:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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River Flows In You

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The result of the discussion was retarget to First Love (Yiruma album). signed, Rosguill talk 19:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • River Flows In You → Yiruma  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

deletion. This redirect duplicates "River Flows in You", which redirects to the Yiruma album. No need for a second link to redirect to the artist. Mistakefinder (talk) 07:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget as avoided double redirect per 61.239. Any editor is free to turn the properly-capitalized title into a dab if there's grounds for one, and then this can be retargeted per standard course. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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