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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The Grudge (2019 film) → The Grudge (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The article says that this Grudge film was released on January 3, 2020, so I cannot understand why this page redirects to that article. Was it originally scheduled to be released in 2019? Seventyfiveyears (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Seventyfiveyears: yes. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per my reply. Even without a source confirming this, given it was released only 3 days into 2020 and was filmed in 2018, it makes sense that there would have been speculation that the film was to be released in 2019. Given a lack of confusion with another film, there is no harm in keeping this. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Tavix – this is also an {{R from move}}, which adds to the plausibility and use of this redirect. Unambiguous and helpful. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 21:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was deleted by Anthony Bradbury per G8. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Trump plague → TrumpVirus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Trump's plague → TrumpVirus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bad faith redirect of a non-existent topic; politically charged ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:27, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• COMMENT As OA of the Redirect made in good faith - and based on references, mostly "WP:RS" afaik, in "the original TrumpVirus article" - and - "User:Drbogdan/sandbox-TrumpVirus" - however - no problem whatsoever whatever "WP:CONSENSUS" decides of course - iac - Drbogdan (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Similar discussions merged together. Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I don't see the need to delete these. The article and related redirects are likely to be deleted at the AfD – and if it isn't, the redirect is valid per RNEUTRAL. I suggest closing these RfDs. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 21:40, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was deleted by Anthony Bradbury per G8. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:17, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The Trump Virus → TrumpVirus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The TrumpVirus → TrumpVirus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bad faith redirect of a non-existent topic; politically charged ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:27, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• COMMENT As OA of the Redirect made in good faith - and based on references, mostly "WP:RS" afaik, in "the original TrumpVirus article" - and - "User:Drbogdan/sandbox-TrumpVirus" - however - no problem whatsoever whatever "WP:CONSENSUS" decides of course - iac - Drbogdan (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Similar discussions merged together. Steel1943 (talk) 19:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was deleted by Anthony Bradbury per G8. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• TrumpVirus Day → TrumpVirus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bad faith redirect of a non-existent topic; politically charged ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• COMMENT As OA of the Redirect made in good faith - and based on references, mostly "WP:RS" afaik, in "the original TrumpVirus article" - and - "User:Drbogdan/sandbox-TrumpVirus" - however - no problem whatsoever whatever "WP:CONSENSUS" decides of course - iac - Drbogdan (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Moot discussion, both the redirect and the target have been deleted already. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• National TrumpVirus Day → TrumpVirus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bad faith redirect of a non-existent topic; politically charged ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• COMMENT As OA of the Redirect made in good faith - and based on references, mostly "WP:RS" afaik, in "the original TrumpVirus article" - and - "User:Drbogdan/sandbox-TrumpVirus" - however - no problem whatsoever whatever "WP:CONSENSUS" decides of course - iac - Drbogdan (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Xevious 2 → Super Xevious  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unhelpful redirect. There is no evidence that this game also goes by "Xevious 2", so I can't imagine this would be useful for anybody trying to find the article. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 17:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - [Super Xevious] is an updated version of Xevious, published a year prior, and the second entry in the Xevious series. Seems like a reasonable and helpful redirect to me. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 19:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Prize. Not much of a consensus here, but this seems to be the best option to default to given that the status quo is either clearly inappropriate (Hare coursing) or no longer an article Runner-up). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• 1st runner-up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• First runner up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• First runner-up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 1st runner up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2nd runner-up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2nd runner up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Second runner up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Second runner-up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runner up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runners-up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runners up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runner-Up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runners-Up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runners Up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Runner's Up → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Second prize → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Second place in a competition → Hare coursing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Term is ambiguous, and destination page doesn't appear to have any special claim to it (or really any good claim at all; the word "runner" isn't mentioned in the article). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:44, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow, it looks like a ton of related terms for things related to second place, etc. redirect to the page. Can someone add all of those to this discussion as well? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems this was all created by this edit from Andrew Davidson, which was reverted a while later by WhatamIdoing, but all the double redirects that became pointed at hare coursing weren't also reverted. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Adding all those "runner-up" redirects to the discussion. Working on it... Regards, SONIC678 04:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Done. Regards, SONIC678 04:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak retarget to prize, which does mention "second place", "first runner up", "second runner up". OTOH they have very few page views (so they're probably not much use to searchers), and almost all the links to them fail WP:OVERLINK, so I'm not strongly opposed to deletion either. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. These are all highly ambiguous and any redirect, let alone the current one, would be confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment These were all previously redirects to Runner-up, which is itself a soft-redirect to Wiktionary. They were retargetted to Hare coursing in 2017 by a bot fixing double redirects when Runner-up was replaced by a redirect pointing there, but not restored when Runner-up was reverted.—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 11:19, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• As pointed out already, the proper target of these is Runner-up, which became a wiktionary redirect after this 2018 AfD (pings to participants there: LaundryPizza03, Leo1pard, Michig, Clarityfiend, Mangoe). As long as that exists as a soft wiktinary redirect, it makes sense to have the plausible redirects here pointed to it. But wouldn't retargeting everything to the local article with relevant content (Prize) be preferable? In any case, the first eight redirects (1st runner-up, etc.) are too specific and we're better off deleting them. – Uanfala (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to / merge with Runner-up, as above. Leo1pard (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all as useless. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect all (and Runner-up) to Prize, there are links to most of these in articles. Peter James (talk) 16:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect Runner-Up to Prize and delete the rest. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 16:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Флаг → Template:Flagicon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary redirect from Russian title. See WP:FORRED 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Unnecessary Russian titled redirect. CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Question Is this the name for a similar template on RuWikipedia? I know we have some redirects to cite templates from German titles because it helps when editors copy DeWikipedia articles, but I don't know Russian so don't know if it's the same situation. — Wug·a·po·des​ 19:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• keep, useful for translating per above (or convert to an auto-substituted wrapper). Frietjes (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Wugapodes, the Russian equivalent template is ru:Шаблон:Флаг, which is Interwiki linked to {{flagicon}}. I can confirm that they're near-enough one-to-one matches. (Schablone is the German word for "template", and Шаблон is presumably a transliteration of that into Russian; I can think of examples of other borrowings from other languages into Russian.) Narky Blert (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The Grudge (2018 film) → Ju-On (franchise)#2019  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no 2018 film named "The Grudge", leaving the entry unclear. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 14:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. There isn't even a section "2019" that exists on the page, and while it might have referred to the 2020 film while it was created, I'm not sure why it should redirect there. Regards, SONIC678 16:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Four by Two Films → Sacha Baron Cohen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target; therefore not providing the reader any relevant information. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep a mention has now been added. This is his production company.^[1][2] -2pou (talk) 19:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Television 360 → Guymon Casady  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target; therefore not providing the reader any relevant information. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It is his production company. I will find a more natural ref to use and insert into the text. -2pou (talk) 19:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Delete because on top on the nominator rationale, this has WP:X or Y problems. Structure appears to go Management 360 → Entertainment 360 → Television 360 / Film 360 (unless Entertainment 360 is just defunct now), but the point is, these articles also claim co-founder status of Management 360: Daniel Rappaport and Evelyn O'Neill. -2pou (talk) 21:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Alpine A120 → Automobiles Alpine  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Renault Alpine 210 RS → Automobiles Alpine  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Alpine A441 → Automobiles Alpine  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete all three. Of them, only A441 is even mentioned on the article, in a list of racing models and so is a circular link. Delete per WP:RFD#D10. Of the other two, as far as I can tell the Renault Alpine 210 RS is at worst a hoax, at best is not mentioned in any reliable sources I could find, and was an article for about 2 years until December 2007 when it was made a redirect with this edit [1]. The A120 appears to have been a real concept car (eg see [2], [3]) but is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. WP:RFD#D10 probably applies too, or perhaps content on this concept car could be added to another suitable article and then retarget the redirect there. A7V2 (talk) 10:21, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:AFF → User:Godsy/Redirect affinity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems to redirect to userspace with an unfinished essay. I propose either a deletion, or a more suitable shortcut. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Maybe Wikipedia:Affiliates? @Godsy: reminder to write essay 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:06, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Wikipedia:Redirects are costly#Some unneeded redirects is the closest thing in the ballpark that I can think of to the essay I plan to write. If everyone feels the target should be changed until I get the essay completed, I would suggest retargeting it there (which will allow an easy transition to my essay eventually). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 19:32, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I don't think that redirecting to an existing page purely on the basis of an upcoming essay makes sense. It can be recreated if and when the essay gets written. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Rosguill. This can easily be recreated once the essay is finished. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:55, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:27, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• DWTD-TV → List of ABS-CBN Corporation channels and stations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This page has no content about this redirect. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Removed from the target in this edit on 17 August. Pinging User:Robtop (who removed it) in case they have any comment. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or retarget - Keep, or retarget to DWTD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The only mention we currently have is an unsourced, possibly dubious, one in D-10-ZC-TV; it's not mentioned in List of ABS-CBN Corporation channels and stations or ABS-CBN Sports and Action. Do not retarget to DAB page DWTD because it isn't on that page; nor should it be without a WP:DABMENTION. Narky Blert (talk) 09:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Narky if there's no mention on the target page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:54, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• 功夫熊猫3 → Kung Fu Panda 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:FORRED. The target does not have affinity to any specific language, leaving non-English redirect problematic. Steel1943 (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Super weak delete this. While China is one of the countries that made this movie (and the first time this has done so in the Kung Fu Panda franchise, which I mistakenly thought was a Chinese one back in elementary school, and we don't have 功夫熊猫 or 功夫熊猫2 for that reason), this term isn't mentioned in the article. Regards, SONIC678 06:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep – Kung fu is a Chinese concept and the theme of the Kung Fu Panda movies are often related to China. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 05:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Procedural close. Withdrawn by nominator, see discussion below. The desired actions can be accomplished without an RFD. (non-admin closure) Hog Farm _Bacon 20:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• For example: 2020 US presidential election in Ohio → 2020 United States presidential election in Ohio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Hundreds of redirects were created 4 months ago by User:Skim127. They redirect to the correct page name, for example from 2020 US presidential election in Ohio to 2020 United States presidential election in Ohio. Plus, the user put categories on them, so the categories are effectively duplicated, once for the article plus one for the doppelgänger redirect. most of the redirects (All, maybe, I don't know) are orphans. I have contacted the user-creator three times for explanation or details, but there has been no response. There is a redirect for (as best I can tell) every state's elections' for U.S. President since 1788/1789. That's hundreds (or thousands?) of redirects: 50+ states (plus DC, etc) times about-50 elections. I can't possibly put an {{rfd}} tag on each one. The categories should be removed, but that's tremendously tedious. The redirects are probably unnecessary. There's no reason to delete a user's well-intentioned work, but it seems excessive. How best to handle it, if at all? —GoldRingChip 01:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Bot requests could probably handle this. Have them tag it with {{R from abbreviation}} while they're at it. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Handle what? This is a keep because they appear to be reasonable (without looking at them all)—"US" being a perfectly reasonable abbreviation for "United States"—and Wikipedia:Redirect says "Redirect pages can contain other content below the redirect, such as redirect category templates, and category links" so there's no issue with categories (although I don't see how the categories are helpful). Overall, I can't see a problem really. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Handle the removal of the duplicate categories which are already on the target articles and shouldn't be on the redirect too. I agree that the redirects themselves are plausible. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I think these pages are a keep. They are only there for navigation purposes only. The categories are unnecessary and the only reason many are there are just because a user suggested it to me. If you think it's appropriate for me to mention his name, please say so. It would be unfair if pages from more recent elections were kept only because they happened recently and old ones were deleted because they were less recent. Like for example keeping: 2020 US presidential election in Ohio just because it's 2020 and deleting 1920 US presidential election in Ohio. This would definitely a form of bias. Thank you, Skim127.
• Procedural close. There's nothing wrong with the redirects themselves. Delete the categories as redundant with the target, maybe using a bot. (I agree with 59.149.124.29 that the rcat should be applied simultaneously.) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Looks like good advice, thank you everyone, including Skim127. We'll keep the redirects and I'll put in a bot request to remove the categories. —GoldRingChip 19:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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