Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 12

September 12

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 12, 2020.

Tropical storm Rene

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The result of the discussion was speedy retarget to Tropical Storm Rene. Literally withdrawing my own nomination, since consensus became evident rather quickly. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 02:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Miscapitalized, easily confused with Tropical Storm Rene which is a DAB page. I suggest deletion or a retarget to the aforementioned DAB. CycloneYoris talk! 23:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Tropical Storm Rene, not sure why this needs discussion. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Because I’m also suggesting deletion and not just a possible retarget. CycloneYoris talk! 00:12, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget. I'm not sure why deletion is being suggested as a possibility here given that this is such an obviously plausible search term for the differently capitalised page. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Pandemic team

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target, on top of being a fairly broad search term that could easily refer to other groups. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This redirect is ambiguous and may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as ambiguous per nom. -2pou (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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JetRaider

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • JetRaider → Fullers Group  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect is not mentioned in the primary article, most likely because it was removed 3 years ago. However, it could also be a mispelling of Jet Rider. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Suspended congress

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suspended congress → Sex position  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Well, this is mentioned in the target article. However, WP:ASTONISH might be in play here, as there seems to be a decent number of hits on Google for various legislative bodies known as Congress being suspended. Anyone looking for a suspended legal body is going to be like "what the hell" when they wind up here. Hog Farm Bacon 02:44, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Amusing. Potentially disambiguate this? BlackholeWA (talk) 13:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Enwiki does have a couple of mentions of the phrase referring to a legislative congress that is suspended, but none that would merit a disambiguation page entry. Neither is there a definition of the term in the political context. So Sex position is all we've got. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's confusing as it is, and not every term that appears in an article needs a redirect, especially under these circumstances. And the source for the phrase in the article is a dead link and didn't look to be too reliable anyway. Crossroads -talk- 17:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete, while we don't have a single definition for a legal term, we do have several instances of stating that officials "suspended Congress". Given the ASTONISH potential, I think that search results are preferable to sending readers straight to Sex position. signed, Rosguill talk 19:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as this will absolutely lead to WP:ASTONISHment. -2pou (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:T

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. signed, Rosguill talk 18:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Retarget to Teahouse. This is currently redirected to the now-defunct WP:Tutorial (historical), it would likely provide more use if redirected to the Teahouse. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • This was discussed two months ago at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 23#Wikipedia:T. – Uanfala (talk) 15:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep per the recent discussion. Or failing that, keep per the arguments I made in that discussion since when nothing has changed. Thryduulf (talk) 21:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support retarget. I agree that the Teahouse is a good suggestion as a target that would get plenty of use, especially in a "tutorial" type context since it is a place for newbie editors. It is certainly a better target than a defunct page that shouldn't be linked to anymore—especially not with such a prominent single-letter shortcut. It's a shame that the previous discussion got derailed due to "preserving links", which is silly if one understands where most of the links are coming from. As I explained at the previous discussion and at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 10#Wikipedia:9, most links to single digit letters and numbers were created via User:TomasBat/Welcome, which links all single letter shortcuts without any context, so it doesn't matter what the target is. Other links should still make sense in context since the Teahouse is a place for asking tutorial-type questions, and any other confusion can be resolved with an explanatory hatnote. Disambiguate per Uanfala, especially the reply on why a hatnote at the Teahouse page is not ideal. -- Tavix (talk) 15:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC) Edited 18:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's true, but there's still a significant number of links to the tutorial (some examples: Talk:Amon (demon), Talk:Shorinji Kempo, Talk:Lanzarote. If this is retargeted, then these links will need to be fixed (Teahouse is a very different place than the tutorial). – Uanfala (talk) 17:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • None of the discussions in the examples you have cited are likely to be used, or even read, in the future. They are one-off links in obscure talk pages meant for the person who is being replied to at that time. Rather, it is far more useful as a shortcut for an active page and I am fine with any suggestion that would help achieve that goal. -- Tavix (talk) 17:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have read your arguments against the need to preserve links. They didn't convince me last time (nor did they convince a sufficient number of other people) and they don't convince me this time. Please do not confuse that with the discussion getting "derailed". Thryduulf (talk) 01:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • In the last discussion you lead off with faulty information, citing "4,000 links". However, because of User:TomasBat/Welcome, that is highly misleading. Others may have based their !votes off of that inaccuracy, which effectively derailed that discussion. I am well aware that you aren't convinced—I have long given up on trying to convince you of anything. -- Tavix (talk) 02:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • 4000 links is not inaccurate. That you dispute the relevance of these links does not negate their existence, nor mean that they hold no value. I shall choose not to interpret your other comments as a needless personal attack. Thryduulf (talk) 12:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yeah, the overwhelming majority of these come from a user welcome template, where the link forms part of a header, alongside all other single-letter shortcuts. For that context it's irrelevant where the link is pointing. – Uanfala (talk) 16:26, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not retarget. There's a substantial number of incoming links where it's precisely the tutorial page that is intended. There are probably 100 or fewer of them, so it will be viable to go back and change them, freeing up the shortcut for other uses. However, this is so short as a shortcut that it's likely that different editors will expect it to target different pages. We might be tolerant of such ambiguity for shortcuts, but that's usually because most of them have had established uses since the early days of the project: they're entrenched in practice and there's nothing we can do to change that. But here for WP:T, we have control and we can stop an infelicitous shortcut from gaining ground. Yes, the teahouse is a plausible target, but it already has good shortcuts like WP:TEA and WP:TH, which are both short and clear. And there are other targets that are plausible too, like Help:Templates (the target of H:T and WP:TEMP), or the talk guidelines, or Wikipedia:Tips, or Wikipedia:Tools. We should either keep this shortcut pointing to its historic target (which will hopefully not pick up any further use in the future), or turn it into a disambiguation page listing a handful of most plausible targets. – Uanfala (talk) 17:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • A hatnote could be added to redirect users, eg. "WP:T redirects here, for the page this shortcut redirected to previously, see..." — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 07:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course, but a hatnote comes into the picture only if you first grant that the Teahouse should be the primary topic. I was arguing that it isn't, but even if it were, then it will still be desirable to avoid placing hatnotes there: you'd want newbie-facing pages like it to be as free of clutter as possible, and the teahouse in particular has a beautiful header that will not work well with a hatnote. – Uanfala (talk) 10:27, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've drafted a dab page below the redirect. – Uanfala (talk) 19:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate. Personally, I think that this is exactly the scenario where a shortcut should be disambiguated. With the disambig, the target the editor wants to go to is likely listed – with the added benefit that links to the previous target don't need to be changed as the old target is listed clearly at the dab page. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The Walking Dead (season 5) redirects

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects are not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection(s) unclear. Chompy Ace 11:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Heart Drift originally targetted Consumed (The Walking Dead) but it is not mentioned there either. Thryduulf (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Neither "Heart Drift" nor "The Sleeping Dens" appear anywhere on en.wp as exact phrases. "Sleeping dens" occurs exactly once as an exact phrase, in the sentence, "It uses different sleeping dens each day." at Golden lion tamarin#Behaviour and ecology but that doesn't come close being a useful target for a redirect - especially as googling the phrase returns hits related to cats, meerkats, humans (adults and children), porcupines, otters and lowland pacas on the first three pages. Thryduulf (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Thryduulf. -2pou (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Miro(wrestler)

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Miro(wrestler) → Rusev (wrestler)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Certainly an implausible redirect, moreover there may be many wrestlers named "Miro" or "Miroslov" as well. JavaHurricane 10:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to Cagematch, there is only one wrestler who uses the name Miro, the Best Man Miro (AKA, Rusev). There is a no notable wrestler who previously worked as Miroslav, but since Rusev is working as Miro, I think the redirect works. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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List of bitcoin wallets

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the page "Bitcoin" doesn't actually cover other Bitcoin wallets, so the redirect is useless Ysangkok (talk) 14:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, but change to section #Wallets. That section discusses several types of wallets. --BDD (talk) 15:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Enwiki has no list of bitcoin wallets. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: While there is a section on wallets, there is no enwiki page for a list of wallets — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It wouldn't matter that we don't have an article listing bitcoin wallets if we had a list on some other page. However, while we have lists of types of wallet we don't have a list of individual wallets (either comprehensive or even just notable ones) and given the characteristics of this topic area and the high incidence of spamming related to it, it seems unlikely that one will be created anytime soon. Thryduulf (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Exodus (The Walking Dead)

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exodus (The Walking Dead) → Hearts Still Beating  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Chompy Ace 06:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Blazing Hell

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Chompy Ace 06:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Signs (The Walking Dead)

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Chompy Ace 06:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Do It Now (The Walking Dead)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Chompy Ace 06:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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And Here We Are

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • And Here We Are → Something They Need  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Chompy Ace 06:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Threats (The Walking Dead)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Chompy Ace 06:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to The Walking Dead (season 7): As nom said, the article it is targeted to contains no connection. Would be better to redirect to its season. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I created the page. Just delete, I don't care! :) ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not mentioned at the season 7 article either. signed, Rosguill talk 18:54, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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CORONA

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The result of the discussion was retarget to the disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could also mean coronavirus disease 2019, CORONA (rocket), etc. I suggest retargeting to Corona (disambiguation). Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There is already a hatnote at target article that solves this problem. No need to retarget anywhere else. CycloneYoris talk! 10:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Corona (disambiguation): There are many different pages relating to "Corona", if the satelite's name was capitalised as "CORONA", perhaps it would be sutiable, but it isn't. To broad of a subject to redirect to one page. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Corona (the dab page). CORONA (rocket) has possibly the strongest claim to the capitalised title, but Corona (band), Corona (film), Corona (soft drink) and Corona Typewriter Company all are or were stylised using all caps as well. Thryduulf (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to the dab page, multiple possibilities there. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Draft:IOS 15

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The result of the discussion was Restore previous version. signed, Rosguill talk 18:51, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draft:IOS 15 → IOS 14  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible redirect. While I get that it is the next version of iOS, it is WP:TOOSOON. ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 01:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - iOS 14 hasn't yet been released, so it's the next version of IOS; we can wait until next year for iOS 15 if, as, and when it's announced. If iOS 15 makes sense as a redirect, why not iOS 99? And redirecting to iOS 14 is just bogus. Guy Harris (talk) 04:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Not implausible, since this redirect is in draftspace and not in mainspace. I’m not so sure if TOOSOON would apply in this case. It was recently nominated for deletion at MfD prior to becoming a redirect. CycloneYoris talk! 10:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per nom, breaks WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore the version that survived MfD. I agree the redirect is not useful, but RfD is not MfD round 2 and should not be used to delete content that did not gain consensus for deletion at MfD. Thryduulf (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would also support restoring that version. FWIW, the nom has now been blocked indefinitely, so this discussion should be speedy kept for the time being. CycloneYoris talk! 23:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I oppose speedily closing this discussion per J947 below - there is not currently an apparent consensus for keeping this redirect as is so it makes sense to let it run its course rather than close it just to have someone else reopen it. Also none of the reasons at WP:SK apply here as the nominator was not blocked when the made the nomination in good faith and there are multiple independent good faith responses. Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore per Thryduulf. I think closing this discussion would be pointless bureaucracy as there are differing opinions above. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:15, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore is the only appropriate option given the MfD, along with a trout to TechnoBladeSPX for disregarding the result of the MfD and creating a confusing redirect in the process. -- Tavix (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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